Wah again,you just can't handle the truth...GT was fast but just got beat by the ZR1 and now someone will go faster than the ZR1...That's what makes the car wars go round and round.
Ford GT at VIR
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Eye roll.
Looks like the 2019 ZR1 clicked off a 2:37.25 at VIR.
Ford no longer on top...and hundreds of thousands of dollars cheaper
I sure hope so, it's a blown V8 against a blown V6.
But seriously, I can't wait to see what the GT can do when Ford is actually trying to set the car's best time. To piggy back on what's been said about that, I think the GT in question wasn't even the "track" version.
With all that being said, I think this is all just proof as to how good the ZR1 is, in relation to all the cars that put times on that track, and not so much as a dig towards the GT. I say that because the Ford GT beat out some pretty insane cars on that track.
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So all mclarens, ferraris, lambos, porsche are all crap too. Got it
If that is what you got out of that, I have some bad news for you...
It speaks more of the capabilities of the ZR1 than the GT being a subpar performer. The FGT has managed to beat out most of the cars in its class at this point yet the ZR1 has always been an incredible performer, it punches well above its weight and always has. I'm more inclined to say that both cars pitted in a race against each other would probably be nearly dead even.
Lol its the only way to re word your reason for not liking the ford gt. And your hang up about it being built elsewhere. You arent impressed by its numbers even though its better than any other car including those I listed. Please explain if you feel wronged hahahah... Troll
Yes currently the zr1 is now fastest, thats because the zr1 is bad ass. Still boggles the old brain that people think price should be what depicts a lap time. #fakecarpeople
If we read the article from motortrend or road and track. GM claiming the same thing Ford did, they were only doing validation runs. Ford sounds like they weren’t putting much effort for a lap record and GM said the same damn thing. All I know, 2 American cars rocking that fast list!
Which one has a history of shenanigans with track times?
You just gotta learn man, Zyborg is a troll and he's gonna troll out. Logical inconsistencies do not apply to trolling.
+1.. very true.
Were I Ford, I too would have been swayed with Multimatic. They work very closely with Ford and for Ford, among other manufacturers as well. The fact that they are Canadian doesn't degrade the effort one single bit. To not choose them as a partner in Motorsports just because they are Canadian....that would be a disgrace.
Only as good as your last race...ZR1 won.
I'm all about seeing the GT "go out and try to set a lap record", you know, since they were just cruising around the course.
I'm all about seeing the GT "go out and try to set a lap record", you know, since they were just cruising around the course.
Which firm designed the outer style of the GT?
Don't let the content of this thread fool you, Ford did not just call up Multimatic and say, "hey, can you build us the new Ford GT?" and let them take it from there. From what I've read, Ford put a lot of their own work into the making of this car. To what extent, I'm not certain. However, I do know for a production of such a sophisticated car would have taken a lot of retooling for Ford, a lot more time to prepare for the production and a ton more money. This car couldn't simply go down the assembly line where a Mustang or Fusion is made. This reason, and I'm sure others, made it a lot more sense to hand over the execution of Ford's new super car to Multimatic.
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Not fooled. Just asking. If you don’t know and want to pontificate, please skip quoting the question you don’t know the answer to.
If you just want some info and ignore trolling...
I went to Rolex 24 with Garen Nicoghosian. Picked him up in Tampa in the GT and gave him the opportunity to spend a couple hundred miles in the car. He was the exterior design manager on the car. That basement studio at the Ford Product Development Center in Dearborn you've seen in all the stories; that's where he worked on the car basically 24/7 dating back to 2014. If you know anything about Project Silver, he worked on that too dating back to 2012, I believe. A lot of the stuff from Project Silver made its way to PHX. If I had to say what guy did most of the day to day minutaie on the design of the car from, it would be him. Surfaces, materials, shapes, etc all of it. 350 miles in a car with a guy who did all that stuff...you will hear stories about all of it.
Chris Svensson is in charge of all design of all cars in North America. Craig Metros is in charge of all exterior design. Svensson->Metros->Nicoghosian. Before Metros came back to the U.S, an Australian guy named Todd Willing had that job. There's a lot of people involved in the design of the car, but all of those guys personally put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into the GT in that studio. I don't pay as much attention to interior stuff but I know somewhat of the interior counterpart to Nicoghosian was a guy named Bill Mangan, who also did most of the interior theme stuff on the 05.
You can't really pin one guy on the design of a car, so I would say those 5 names are the most important names in the process. I would also say that you can't really assign any credit to anything on this car without ultimately getting to Raj Nair, who was the VP in charge of every product Ford builds around the world at the time. This car is his, and his hands are all over it no matter what the topic.
MM was used on production of the car because they've been a Ford technical partner for a long time and the whole racing thing. Multimatic nearly built the 05/06 GT, and built the first prototypes of that car. Ultimately John Coletti somehow handed it to Saleen instead, but MM still at least ended up producing a couple thousand billet control arms for the car. The guy that runs the production facility in Markham actually ran Milford Fabricating in Detroit when they were producing the frames for the 05/06. He commutes from here to run the plant. The guy that runs the paint facility at MNV, ran the paint facility at Saleen Special Vehicles in MI when they produced the 05/06. You can probably get a sense that there's a lot of repeat personnel on both cars.
Multimatic's technical expertise comes in on chassis and suspension. The DSSV damper is ubiquitous across the industry and race world. A guy named George Howard-Chappell runs their WEC team and is kind of the race brains. I think he and this aerodynamicist Mark Handford (best known from F1) did a lot of the "maximize race capability to the rules" stuff. He ran Prodrive for years when they won LM for Ferrari and Aston Martin. A guy named Brian Willis was an MM employee responsible for a bunch of chassis/suspension stuff that I gather dated back to the Le Mans LMP-winning 1999 BMW V12 LMR. Larry Holt, who is the overall brains of Multimatic, is the dude that runs it all. He is truly a beyond amazing character. I've hung out with him quite a bit the last few years and everyone is coming to hm for something. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of motorsport. I've walked the plant with him twice and that alone is worth the price of admission if you are a car guy.
Beyond that, it would require a book to get into the people working on the car in Allen Park. Everyone here is familiar with Jamal, Pericak, but there's a whole bunch of dudes who have spent the last 3 years of their Ford careers at FP doing nothing but working on this car. Some of them will continue to do nothing but GT until it's completion. The "it's a MM car" thing is a cheap troll.
Thanks DBK! Yeah bellyaching about MM is empty crap. Many companies have a vision and expertise in producing a product, and orchestrate elements of development and production to outsourced suppliers.
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