Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

DepWraith said:

You're trying to justify ADM's on higher demand vehicles due to your lower end products bringing less profit and that's not fair to the consumer.

Yes, MSRP is a suggested price...by the manufacturer that takes dealer profit and cost into consideration. Like I said, it's just greed on the dealers part and it's pushing FORD buyers away from Ford.

Let me give you and example of how it's strictly greed:

Lets say I buy the next GT500 for MSRP plus $30k markup.

I drive the car for a couple weeks and decide it's just not what I want, so I return to your dealership to trade it in.

Can you honestly say you're going to give me blue book plus $30k for it?

No you won't, we all know that.

Greed.

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The ADM isn’t because the car is worth more than MSRP, it’s because there are more buyers than cars. Supply and demand has been around much longer than ADM’s. If you don’t want to pay ADM, then you don’t want the car right now. It’s that simple.

While some dealers are sitting on inventory because they’re asking an insanely high ADM, the cars simply aren’t sitting long. The market adjusts for itself. When they stop selling, the ADM’s come off and the below MSRP sales start happening. To say that buyers are being pushed away from Ford is a farce. If they are, then some other manufacturers buyers are filling the void handily.

ViperRed91GT said:

The ADM isn’t because the car is worth more than MSRP, it’s because there are more buyers than cars. Supply and demand has been around much longer than ADM’s. If you don’t want to pay ADM, then you don’t want the car right now. It’s that simple.

While some dealers are sitting on inventory because they’re asking an insanely high ADM, the cars simply aren’t sitting long. The market adjusts for itself. When they stop selling, the ADM’s come off and the below MSRP sales start happening. To say that buyers are being pushed away from Ford is a farce. If they are, then some other manufacturers buyers are filling the void handily.

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ADM exists because dealerships know there are people with more money than brains, plain & simple !!

DepWraith said:

You're trying to justify ADM's on higher demand vehicles due to your lower end products bringing less profit and that's not fair to the consumer.

Yes, MSRP is a suggested price...by the manufacturer that takes dealer profit and cost into consideration. Like I said, it's just greed on the dealers part and it's pushing FORD buyers away from Ford.

Let me give you and example of how it's strictly greed:

Lets say I buy the next GT500 for MSRP plus $30k markup.

I drive the car for a couple weeks and decide it's just not what I want, so I return to your dealership to trade it in.

Can you honestly say you're going to give me blue book plus $30k for it?

No you won't, we all know that.

Greed.

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I have a super easy remedy for you.

Don't buy one.

AustinJ427 said:

I have a super easy remedy for you.

Don't buy one.

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Wow, thanks for the ever so wise comment, it helped immensely in our discussion.

DepWraith said:

Wow, thanks for the ever so wise comment, it helped immensely in our discussion.

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Anytime.

AustinJ427 said:

I have a super easy remedy for you.

Don't buy one.

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Are you 10?

This boils down to what is right.

I have over a 20 year relationship with my dealer and they knew it, so they did a solid and sold it under list. When I bought my '13 they made lots of money. The monies over invoice plus the holdback. I was happy and the dealer was happy. Can't get better then that. Not hard to play fair on both sides.

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C0bra99 said:

Are you 10?

This boils down to what is right.

I have over a 20 year relationship with my dealer and they knew it, so they did a solid and sold it under list. When I bought my '13 they made lots of money. The monies over invoice plus the holdback. I was happy and the dealer was happy. Can't get better then that. Not hard to play fair on both sides.

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We can break this down any way you want.

The dealer owns the car or pays to have it sit on their floor from the company. They assume the risk of asking over MSRP, it could eat them up if a car sits for over a year, especially if it's a floor plan.

At the end of the day, it's your money and you control it, if you aren't willing to pay the additional cost of the vehicle that they have, then don't buy it.

Your other option is to wait for an extra year and either buy a used one or find a dealer who is selling for MSRP.

And it's good you found a great dealer, foster that relationship with them and they should continue to treat you well. I, too, have a great dealer. The last car I bought from him he made less than I make in an hour on the sale after everything was said and done. I'm glad the manufacturers don't require the dealers to sell at MSRP, it would have cost me over $6k extra for that car but he was willing to remove nearly 100% of his profit to sell me a vehicle. I like the free market.

C0bra99 said:

Are you 10?

This boils down to what is right.

I have over a 20 year relationship with my dealer and they knew it, so they did a solid and sold it under list. When I bought my '13 they made lots of money. The monies over invoice plus the holdback. I was happy and the dealer was happy. Can't get better then that. Not hard to play fair on both sides.

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Apparently AustinJ427 hasn't bought any SVT/Ford Performance vehicles lately, lol.

The definition of supply and demand is "willing and able." Plain and simple, if people are willing, and able, then that's a fair market price. That's why supply and demand are sloped lines and not flat horizontal... You obviously wont have the same number of people willing and able to buy at $100k as $40k.

DepWraith said:

Apparently AustinJ427 hasn't bought any SVT/Ford Performance vehicles lately, lol.

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I bought a Focus RS under MSRP and had the second one in Colorado.

C0bra99 said:

Aren't you already making money at msrp? Most people don't have issues paying list. It's when it has a 20k markup on top of it that makes it seem greedy.

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Enough is perspective.

DepWraith said:

You're trying to justify ADM's on higher demand vehicles due to your lower end products bringing less profit and that's not fair to the consumer.

Yes, MSRP is a suggested price...by the manufacturer that takes dealer profit and cost into consideration. Like I said, it's just greed on the dealers part and it's pushing FORD buyers away from Ford.

Let me give you and example of how it's strictly greed:

Lets say I buy the next GT500 for MSRP plus $30k markup.

I drive the car for a couple weeks and decide it's just not what I want, so I return to your dealership to trade it in.

Can you honestly say you're going to give me blue book plus $30k for it?

No you won't, we all know that.

Greed.

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If you drive it and bring it back it's used, plus I can order a new one. So paying more for your used one than a new one isn't the same comparison at all.

Dealers obviously have the upper hand on new, highly sought after, vehicles. But we also have to stock and floor the bullshit cars that we don't want.

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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/03/barks-bites-day-dealers-died/

seems like an appropriate read given the discussion.

Everybody likes to say they have a "great relationship" with their dealer. Relationships have to work both ways, however. Seems to me that the same people that claim the good relationship are also the ones that post things like "where's the cheapest place to by FP parts?" or "where can I order 10 qts of 5W50 for my shelby the cheapest?" And if some guy online is selling it at or close to dealer cost, and the dealer you have a "great relationship" with is selling it at MSRP then it becomes a "ripoff" for trying to make $2. @13COBRA mentioned he had to sell a fiesta and "make" $118 and pay his salesman $150. In any other industry it wouldn't be feasable, tolerable, or sustainable. In the car business tho, its SOP.

I’ll forum-slap the next Assbag that says the next/any ever, GT500 should be treated like the GT and require some sort of binding agreement that extends more than 10 seconds after the purchase.

This isn’t a limited addition super car marketed to millionaires.

When I bought my ‘13, it was assuming that if something happened to me financially, I could liquidate it quickly, even if at a smal loss.

Some of you are out of your mind. Can’t sell it for 2 years.... gtfo...

13COBRA said:

Enough is perspective. If you drive it and bring it back it's used, plus I can order a new one. So paying more for your used one than a new one isn't the same comparison at all.

Dealers obviously have the upper hand on new, highly sought after, vehicles. But we also have to stock and floor the bullshit cars that we don't want.

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Seems like you playing both sides of the fence here. I'm good enough to pay more but then the dealer isn't since they can get more? At the cheaper cost. Isn't paying list, keeping incentives like holdback and monthly sale projections bonus supplementing the cars sold near invoice? Like I said a fair price is good for both parties.

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Tank5879 said:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/03/barks-bites-day-dealers-died/

seems like an appropriate read given the discussion.

Everybody likes to say they have a "great relationship" with their dealer. Relationships have to work both ways, however. Seems to me that the same people that claim the good relationship are also the ones that post things like "where's the cheapest place to by FP parts?" or "where can I order 10 qts of 5W50 for my shelby the cheapest?" And if some guy online is selling it at or close to dealer cost, and the dealer you have a "great relationship" with is selling it at MSRP then it becomes a "ripoff" for trying to make $2. @13COBRA mentioned he had to sell a fiesta and "make" $118 and pay his salesman $150. In any other industry it wouldn't be feasable, tolerable, or sustainable. In the car business tho, its SOP.

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We're not talking about 2 bucks on a jug of oil or selling at msrp. This is the ADM for 10 to 30k. Not chump change.

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I wasn't comparing the profit on a bottle of oil to ADM. My point was that seldom does the relationship exist where it works both ways, as pointed out by others. Dealer gives you a deal on the car, you could frequent them for other things, but most would rather order online, pay shipping and wait a week.

Apparently there is not any new news on the GT500.

Carry on.......

99cobraUgotbit said:

Apparently there is not any new news on the GT500.
Carry on.......

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lol
Check back in a couple of months. "MAYBE" then?? lol

99cobraUgotbit said:

Apparently there is not any new news on the GT500.

Carry on.......

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post of the day

here is some Shelby GT500 news- anyone seen this? sorry if so...

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/02...500-arrested-for-driving-without-license.html