Go return style fuel system @ what HP?

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Trying to nail down what I need here, with a 2.3 tvs gen 2, looking to make close to 700rwhp on e85, do i need to go return style system. I asked this in the blower sub forum and it was reccomended that I get id1000s and a BAP. Is that all I need fuel wise. J see so many on here talking about full fore systems at similar hp levels. At what point do I need to go return style?
 

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You would need bigger pumps, upgraded fpdm/s, better wiring to the pumps, and bigger injectors to stay returnless. At that point you might as well go return. Do it once and do it right. 2 465's with one of the kits that either lethal or fore sells. The fuel volume with e85 is roughly 30% greater than the demand on regular pump and the 465s are e85 compatible and will be enough for 700 wheel with some room to grow. 04 Sleeper is well known in the car community and is the mod for this section for good reason. Guy knows his stuff.
 

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I agree with the above statement. If your looking for 700 on E, just go Return now and give yourself a little room and be done. By the time you get everything needed to make a Returnless setup work, you would be able to go Return and it be a better set up.

Both Lethal and Fore will work fine for your application. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
 

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650rwhp is my threshold for returnless and e85. Starts becoming more work upgrading alot of stuff to safely and reliabley push past that with ethanol staying returnless.
 

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I swore by ID injectors in the past but for half the price (ok a little more than half) FIC is making some badass injectors.
 

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You would need bigger pumps, upgraded fpdm/s, better wiring to the pumps, and bigger injectors to stay returnless. At that point you might as well go return. Do it once and do it right. 2 465's with one of the kits that either lethal or fore sells. The fuel volume with e85 is roughly 30% greater than the demand on regular pump and the 465s are e85 compatible and will be enough for 700 wheel with some room to grow. 04 Sleeper is well known in the car community and is the mod for this section for good reason. Guy knows his stuff.
So would I be ok to run this Fore system with aeromotive 340 dual pumps. I'm attempting to get close to 650hp on E85.

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So would I be ok to run this Fore system with aeromotive 340 dual pumps. I'm attempting to get close to 650hp on E85.

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I'm not sure on the 340s. Someone else will have to answer that. I do know that with a Hobbs switch controlling one of 465s that you can attempt to limit fuel consumption out of boost. I personally dont have a fore setup, so I'm not as familiar with the setup as others. It seems to be quality and well thought out though. Get the pfte lines too. I have seen teflon in some nasty chemical environments, solvents included, and it holds up to most things very well. I used to test corrosion resistance of materials for a living. You wont get a fuel smell with it either.
 

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I'm not sure on the 340s. Someone else will have to answer that. I do know that with a Hobbs switch controlling one of 465s that you can attempt to limit fuel consumption out of boost. I personally dont have a fore setup, so I'm not as familiar with the setup as others. It seems to be quality and well thought out though.
That kit is probably overkill for what I need.
I'm a ways away from the HP numbers now, but a new blower with E85 conversion may change that in a hurry lol. I want to do it once and be done.

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Thanks for the info. Glad to hear there's a budget friendly injector option that's still reliable.
No problem. You can get 1000cc injectors for 700 bucks through them. Then sometimes depending on your tuner etc or knowing someone you can get them a little cheaper 600ish.

I wound up getting the 1000cc for my build. They come in a nice box all foamed locked. They're all data matched. They show all the slope flows. The lowest is 940cc and the highest is 948cc with a base pressure of 43 psi so as you can see the flow match is less than 1 percent across the 8.

They do the injector offset data the ones I got range from 1275 to 1297 giving a average of 1287us so a 1.7 percent deviation not bad at all.

So the set I have they rated them at 1267 rwhp gas and 975 rwhp for E85 running high ass pressure like 83. But running it at 50+ they'll still make 1000rwhp.

The voltage offsets etc.

Each set will be different as the carts given actually have the part numbers on each injector.

With everything being bosch based/redesigned bosch etc. why pay just over 1000 bucks for ID 1050x's, the FIC 1000's will do nearly the same for 300+ less.

I know if you talk to ID they'll say well they're better blah blah blah.... Maybe they are.... Who knows none of us do.... But I've seen a few cars dump the FIC's for the 1050x's when they came out and they got nothing out of them, no difference from V's to cobras etc. Just because ID claims they've got better mapping and revisions from the previous ID1000's doesn't mean anything.

The coyote is a somewhat advanced engine while the LSx engine's are archaic correct (mmm pushrods haven't seen that in a ford for nearly 30 years)? They still make comparable power or more or less... FIC's from my experience are ID1000's with better idle quality, they seem better matched (personal observation). ID changed stuff probably for marketing because of companies like FIC and others etc. trying to put that gap between the competition again.

What really matters is the tuner your using. If they're familiar with FIC's and ID's etc... If they have them all mapped out etc then no difference will be had between the two except maybe peak depending on the size.

I have no affiliation with ID or FIC.... Its just ID used to be pricey because they were it, no others out there. Now to me ID has turned into that icon and icons have a image and price to keep up. I just don't think a different solenoid/magnet and a different tip is going to do anything for the average build with a EEC V module controlling them lol. Maybe a 2500hp car with a stand alone system can utilized the claims ID has over its competition but then again how invasive are FIC's alterations of the bosch products now? Who knows Ford VS Chevy, Bears VS Green Bay crap.
 

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