Jobs report beats expectations, lowest unemployment in half century

Never_Enough said:

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you, can I ask you what the point of working for pay is if you can't support yourself on it is then?

Depends on their field. I think we can all agree on the COL continuing to rise & wages not keeping up.

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Some jobs are not meant to sustain a family or lifestyle. It is why they have typically been worked by school students. I am sorry but Johnny McBurgerboy should not be trying to raise a family on an unskilled job that almost anyone can do.

If you want to raise a family or to or earn a respectable wage then learn a trade or earn a degree that has a pay that affords that. We should not not adjust the scale because people want rewarded for minimal effort.

You are afforded life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You are not guaranteed happiness or a decent wage.




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mc01svt said:

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Several large corporations lobbied the feds and published reports saying that there weren't enough skilled STEM workers in USA. The number of H1B visas skyrocketed and plenty of degreed engineers in the USA were laid off and replaced with indian contract workers. Microsoft even forced their employees to train their replacements or lose their severance. So at the same time they scream worker shortage they were tossing engineers out the back door.
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I do like the fact that Trump is trying to do some better trade deals but im not drinking the koolaid with these artificially low UE numbers.

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The unemployment rate has been on a fairly steady, albeit slow, decline since, I believe 2008 or something like that. Which I find that pretty interesting considering the Great Recession was supposedly happening at that time. But yeah, the tech industry has been "abusing" H1B for a while now. I recall Trump tried to put the kibosh on it early in his term. My wife told me stories about people in her company having to train the H1B holders how to replace them before being escorted out. After Trump made his announcement, the same company started kicking the H1B holders out and let their visas expire. They still have a LOT of Indians on their workforce, though, just like every other tech industry in the country.

Deceptive said:

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I disagree with this notion that everyone working deserves a living wage. ...

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What is the point of working, if the wages can't support you? Not everybody wants to raise a family, buy a house, or even have the newest car. Some people's nirvana is to be a barista at a snooty coffee bar. They should still be able to sustain themselves, even with an unskilled job. The only things holding companies back from paying livable wages to all are shareholder profit margins and big bonuses and umbrella packages for the senior executives.

GT Premi said:

The only things holding companies back from paying livable wages to all are shareholder profit margins and big bonuses and umbrella packages for the senior executives.

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That and let us say the Latte Lisa leaves Starbucks because they won’t pay her $20/hr. They could have that position filled by pretty much anyone off the street. It is not some skilled position. I am sure there are thousands of people graduating college with worthless degrees to back fill the position.

That is why Starbucks doesn’t pay Frappuccino Frank much more than minimum wage.

Look at most good paying jobs. They have a few things in common. Not everyone can do it and there are more positions than skilled people to fill them.


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GT Premi said:

What is the point of working, if the wages can't support you?

They should still be able to sustain themselves, even with an unskilled job. The only things holding companies back from paying livable wages to all are shareholder profit margins and big bonuses and umbrella packages for the senior executives.

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Do you actually believe that shit you typed or are you just trollin'?

mc01svt said:

So basically manipulate the labor market and further globalize the economy at the expense of the US middle class.

The world has so much poverty that you can always find and train someone to do work for cheaper. Is that really what we want to do? Why not just bring in refugees from war torn countries and let them work for food?

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In some case yes but the jobs I am talking are 6 figure jobs. And I would argue step up your game and you wont lose your job. If you are doing something any refugee from a war torn country could do and aren't doing it more efficiently then you are going to be replaced that is the unfortunate thing in the capitalistic world.

If they are linchpins they will not be replaced regardless of price. Is it, the people taking these jobs are worth 75% less or did the current people in the Job lose their gravy train and are over paid?

I agree with the issue of it being done purely for profit and in the end we have to start back up and bail out those outsourced parts ( we do it everyday ). But if I can bring someone in more efficient, ambitious, and loyal for 25% labor savings who wouldn't do that?

Actually the low wage is paid because people keep taking the job at that pay level. If they couldn't find anyone to take the position at that pay level they would have to raise it.

Didn't the FED gov just fire 20,000 people

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bigja01cobra said:

... But if I can bring someone in more efficient, ambitious, and loyal for 25% labor savings who wouldn't do that?

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That's a slippery slope you're stepping onto.

97snakebite said:

Didn't the FED gov just fire 20,000 people

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Nope! I wish though.


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GT Premi said:

That's a slippery slope you're stepping onto.

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It depends on the state. In Va. you can be canned for no reason.


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Stanley said:

Actually the low wage is paid because people keep taking the job at that pay level. If they couldn't find anyone to take the position at that pay level they would have to raise it.

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And people take those types of jobs at those wages because they require bare minimum skills. Because there are millions of people that can do that job.

Look at nurses. The wages are going up because there are more openings than qualified people. Because it is a skilled job. Now, let’s say that there becomes an over saturation of the field. Facilities have five qualified applicants for every position. The pay will go done.

Lawyers use to come out of school being offered 6 figures. Now that has dwindled immensely because the field is overpopulated.

Why should anyone that has unskilled laborers pay more than what they have to to keep the positions filled?

We all want more pay for our work. Why shouldn’t CEOs and such want to maximize their earnings?


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If you can bring in more revenue to your employer, someone else can’t admin should notice raise your salary or bonuses.

If they don’t simply go to their competitor with the same offer.

Deceptive said:

Some jobs are not meant to sustain a family or lifestyle. It is why they have typically been worked by school students. I am sorry but Johnny McBurgerboy should not be trying to raise a family on an unskilled job that almost anyone can do.

If you want to raise a family or to or earn a respectable wage then learn a trade or earn a degree that has a pay that affords that. We should not not adjust the scale because people want rewarded for minimal effort.

You are afforded life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You are not guaranteed happiness or a decent wage.




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I never said raise a family. Also, exactly which jobs are you referring to outside of flipping burgers?

Never_Enough said:

I never said raise a family. Also, exactly which jobs are you referring to outside of flipping burgers?

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A single person should have no issue living on minimum wage. Have room mates and split bills.

Not everyone needs a car, iPhone, etc.

Perhaps we should just pay a minimum living wage to all persons and watch the job market implode. People are lazy and will do the minimum to achieve their goals.

My generation and younger are more willing to live on handouts and cheap lawsuit payouts than work a real job.


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Stanley said:

Actually the low wage is paid because people keep taking the job at that pay level. If they couldn't find anyone to take the position at that pay level they would have to raise it.

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Exactly correct. Over the last 5 years my starting pay went from minimum wage to $10.50 / hour in landscaping for an unskilled blower holder. People would leave and nobody would be there to fill the hole. Before that time we had a stack of applicants to dig through.


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Never_Enough said:

I never said raise a family. Also, exactly which jobs are you referring to outside of flipping burgers?

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Any unskilled labor, such as most retail “sales assoc” jobs, most food service jobs, housekeeping type jobs. Jobs of that nature.

I do not want to put down those that do those jobs. But they pay around minimum wage because they are minimum skilled jobs and there is a trove of people to work them.

My mother was a server in a restaurant for years of my childhood and she even pressed upon me that jobs like that were not meant to support or raise a family.

This notion that all jobs have to give you enough money to have a place of your own, get a nice car, new phone, trips, etc... is BS. And I grew up poor, not some silver spoon ****tard.


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bglf83 said:

This^^^ History majors not needed.

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Hahaha