Crash & Death at the NOLA Wannagofast 1/2 mile today (RIP Jeff Hagaman)

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Now that I have time to type I'll give my opinion. And most of it is just that, opinion.
For starters as a former drag racer I believe running 2000HP or 7-8 and even 9 second cars on the street is just dumb. Think "street outlaws" here.
For years we bitched if the track didn't hook and now all of a sudden you want to street race? (Of course I've seen some good street prep also.) lol
No prep events? WTF?
Second, if you build one of these cars and run it to its potential even remotely often without a cage that is just as dumb.

Guys like Jeff ran these events several times a year. Every time you do your risk for something happening goes up.
I've been 170ish in a street car with no cage once and even that was stupid thinking back on it.

Going to this event, I have my opinions on the event host. I've come across his post and I see him as nothing but someone who wants to make $$$.
Even posting here, I almost deleted his events because that's all he does is spam his events. He takes no time to correspond, post or talk to anyone here.


When Wannagofast posted about the New Orleans event I couldn't help but cringe. Don't get me wrong, NOLA Motorsports park is a pretty nice facility for what it is and where it is located but it isn't world class and surely not set up for an event like this. I knew that it isn't that wide to run cars side by side and the track condition was not good for this type of event.


I will say that running this type of event EVERYONE should have walked that track and maybe even drove a slow pass to feel the track.
Someone made the comment about Drag Racers walking the track. That is the difference in a sanctioned track/event and some fly by night BS operation that just blindly rents a track to host a event.
We know and trust that the track is cared for.
I also have a problem with a business like WGF putting safety on his front page and in the same paragraph state that the event created to pursue your need for speed "Without the restrictions of ...........
Just kind of ironic.

As I said, I really have no issue with someone wanting to risk his own ass but no one should get sued because of it.
 

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I had the pleasure of meeting Jeff several times on track as well as at SCT Charlotte. Cool dude and amazing driver. Could definitely wheel a car.

However I do not believe the addition of a cage, no matter the points, would have single-handedly saved Jeff's life. I will even argue it wouldn't make the difference of death and being a vegetable at that point. A lot of you keep pointing to landspeed and other mile cars that have wrecked where the driver survived, but there's a problem with that logic... Those cars are practically full out custom builds. Not a thing in common with the cars they imitate in silhouette (i.e. a NASCAR stock car). They have full cages, fixed seat backs, HANS devices, etc. This was essentially a showroom GT-R with 2,000whp. Because it was truly a street car. It seen street action and casual street cruising. All that added safety equipment, if it were equipped as such, would have actually made for a deadlier experience on the street for Jeff and his family.

Pick and choose I suppose, but I question if this should have happened in the first place. As in, should we ever have to discuss his safety list (or lack thereof).
I appreciate your opinion but I disagree about the cage. If it was a true showroom street car 2000+HP is playing Russian Roulette. I wonder if he even had ANY type of fire suppression in cabin? I doubt it.
 

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I just watched the video. It is on YouTube if you want to search for it. The car runs off of the right of the track, and then it disappears in a cloud with the GTR resting at the left. Nothing is left of the car. A cage would not have saved anyone's life in the accident I saw.

My prayers go out to the family and friends. This is a tragedy of racing.

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We had 2 engine fires in the Pro-Mod this past season at 200 mph due to faulty injectors, without fire suppression things could have been life threatening. You don't skimp on safety especially when these guys spend SO MUCH MONEY in the HP department.
 

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I just watched the video. It is on YouTube if you want to search for it. The car runs off of the right of the track, and then it disappears in a cloud with the GTR resting at the left. Nothing is left of the car. A cage would not have saved anyone's life in the accident I saw.

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You'd be surprised. a properly constructed cage would still have been intact, I've seen Outlaw 10.5 cars barrel roll at 175 mph and pretty much disintegrate while the cage still protected the driver...
 

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I just watched the video. It is on YouTube if you want to search for it. The car runs off of the right of the track, and then it disappears in a cloud with the GTR resting at the left. Nothing is left of the car. A cage would not have saved anyone's life in the accident I saw.

My prayers go out to the family and friends. This is a tragedy of racing.

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You would be surprised at what a full cage would do.
 

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You would be surprised at what a full cage would do.
I'm a drag racer. More bikes than cars, but I do pilot a grudge car when asked. The cage and safety equipment are all intact. I hope and pray I never have a serious crash. When strapped in I feel like I am being mummified. I can move the parts needed to drive, nothing else.

I would go into shock in a crash. I'm almost certain I would develop claustrophobia.

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I'm a drag racer. More bikes than cars, but I do pilot a grudge car when asked. The cage and safety equipment are all intact. I hope and pray I never have a serious crash. When strapped in I feel like I am being mummified. I can move the parts needed to drive, nothing else.

I would go into shock in a crash. I'm almost certain I would develop claustrophobia.

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I looked at the pic above ur post and all I could think of is how incredibly grateful and utterly horrified to be strapped inside it after a crash.
 

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I looked at the pic above ur post and all I could think of is how incredibly grateful and utterly horrified to be strapped inside it after a crash.
The worst scenario is a fire after the crash and being strapped in like what happened to Lyle! This dude has been an inspiration to Outlaw Series Drag Racers.

 

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While I didn't read all the comments here, I've seen plenty on other sites. The guys that think a cage wouldn't have helped are uninformed. He may still have passed, but a proper cage for those speeds would have given him a chance. My drag car ran 4.70's in the 1/8 @ 152 mph and would have run close to 200 in the 1/4 but I never ran it on full 1/4 passes (184 top letting off around 900-1000') anyway, I would not have even thought about those speeds without the jungle-gym cage I had. To the poster who mentioned being claustrophobic... I hear ya' , When you're properly strapped in, you can't move hardly at all. Obviously I didn't know the guy and he may have totally understood and accepted the risks. Bad deal anyway, RIP sir.
 

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Now that I have time to type I'll give my opinion. And most of it is just that, opinion.
For starters as a former drag racer I believe running 2000HP or 7-8 and even 9 second cars on the street is just dumb. Think "street outlaws" here.
For years we bitched if the track didn't hook and now all of a sudden you want to street race? (Of course I've seen some good street prep also.) lol
No prep events? WTF?
Second, if you build one of these cars and run it to its potential even remotely often without a cage that is just as dumb.

Guys like Jeff ran these events several times a year. Every time you do your risk for something happening goes up.
I've been 170ish in a street car with no cage once and even that was stupid thinking back on it.

Going to this event, I have my opinions on the event host. I've come across his post and I see him as nothing but someone who wants to make $$$.
Even posting here, I almost deleted his events because that's all he does is spam his events. He takes no time to correspond, post or talk to anyone here.


When Wannagofast posted about the New Orleans event I couldn't help but cringe. Don't get me wrong, NOLA Motorsports park is a pretty nice facility for what it is and where it is located but it isn't world class and surely not set up for an event like this. I knew that it isn't that wide to run cars side by side and the track condition was not good for this type of event.


I will say that running this type of event EVERYONE should have walked that track and maybe even drove a slow pass to feel the track.
Someone made the comment about Drag Racers walking the track. That is the difference in a sanctioned track/event and some fly by night BS operation that just blindly rents a track to host a event.
We know and trust that the track is cared for.
I also have a problem with a business like WGF putting safety on his front page and in the same paragraph state that the event created to pursue your need for speed "Without the restrictions of ...........
Just kind of ironic.

As I said, I really have no issue with someone wanting to risk his own ass but no one should get sued because of it.


PREACH. Same sentiments I've got.

And guys, any decent lawyer can pick apart a safety waiver in their sleep....
 

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Not to get morbid, but why would his stomach be ripped open? Lack of a proper harness?
Same reason he got decapitated? Along with a proper cage?
 

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People are confusing a 4pt harness bar with a 4pt roll bar. There is a big distinction. I'm aware of it only having a 4pt harness bar View attachment 1517755
Sad to read this as there was always a sliver of a chance proper equipment could have saved his life.

I get so tired of hearing people say “oh but so and so died doing what they love” guess in these instances ignorant people can’t fathom someone loving their family or more importantly family and friends loving them.

I used to track bikes regularly so I’m aware of the risks with speed, maybe it that I’ve recently married and had a son and now I find different value in life but I can’t think I’d want to roll the dice with such a high speed event where anything could go wrong track prep aside even.
 

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I mean this with all due respect, but you cage defenders are loony. They absolutely serve a purpose, no doubt about it, when combined with other safety items such as a fixed racing seat, HANS device, etc. But someone please explain to me how a cage alone would have saved Jeff Hagaman from decapitation, having a hand cut off and his stomach exploded. Remember, you guys are arguing for JUST a cage in this instance, nothing else. And remember just how much more dangerous Jeff's car would have been with that cage the other 75% of the time it ISN'T on a race track.

Jeff knew full good and well about safety. Just look at his CTS-V for proof. And he absolutely did play Russian roulette on Saturday, but that doesn't take away the negligence of the event/promoters for putting such fast cars in such a horrible circumstance. I will say since I wasn't there I can't and won't speak to what drivers were offered to be able to do in terms of track inspection, but that should be a minimal requirement.
 

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Maybe it's time to stop dick swinging with 2000 hp "street cars" and have cars that are dedicated to certain types of racing. The guy knew what safety was all about, see his CTSV as others have said, but decided to run that beast of a car without anything. It was a known risk, but could have been avoided.
Is "proving your dick is bigger" really worth your life? If you can afford 10 GTRs, cant you afford to have a race prepped one and a tamer street one? I know it's a fine line and people cry about safety equipment daily. I'm not saying someone will die if they run a 2000 hp car without a cage and other safety equipment, but the odds start shifting in the wrong direction when you push the limits.
Like I said before, it's a horrible thing to have happened and I hope everyone can make this a learning experience.
 

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I feel bad for his wife and kids having to be there watching him die like that.

As far as where the cage or lack of came from @Brutal Metal I have no idea. As I stated in my post that was what was being pushed around on another forum that you frequent also and it was possible I misread the post.
 

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