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Apparently the entire place is loaded with sensors and dedicated staff that patrols for fire. A building of that importance is monitored like a hawk so I imagine they'd have a pretty quick idea of what caused it as opposed to a building that isn't. FWIW none of the construction crew was there so it's not like that area was teaming with people. As soon as the first alarm went off they had someone up there and judging by the photos of rafters it's not easy to get in and out of. Here's an in depth article on the building and the fire. It will be interesting to see what the cause was:
Notre-Dame Attic Was Known as ‘the Forest.’ And It Burned Like One.
Has there been any history of fire of this magnitude at the Cathederal in the past almost 800 years? Why now all of a sudden with all the modern building codes and regulations. The construction company was well renowned and experienced. They would have taken precautions. I have a hard time believing it was an accident. How many fires break out at construction sites? Apparently there have been a number of churches vandalized by Muslims in Europe recently. I suspect many more accidental fires will start in churches in the future. These churches were safe from fires for hundreds of years but now with modern technology and building regulations they are in danger!!
 

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Holy shit man you need to read what HE said and not what the news said... Two very different things and Klay IS rght.

1-media is wrong for assuming it was an accident
2-klay never assumed it was an accident

Is it a high chance it was a muslim? Yea, I think so, but before we immediately blame them lets take a look first because it is also extremely likely a dumb ass worker started a fire. That does happen.

When have I said anything about Muslims?

Klay is wrong with the position to move forward as it was an accident until evidence indicates otherwise.
 

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Has there been any history of fire of this magnitude at the Cathederal in the past almost 800 years? Why now all of a sudden with all the modern building codes and regulations. The construction company was well renowned and experienced. They would have taken precautions. I have a hard time believing it was an accident. How many fires break out at construction sites? Apparently there have been a number of churches vandalized by Muslims in Europe recently. I suspect many more accidental fires will start in churches in the future. These churches were safe from fires for hundreds of years but now with modern technology and building regulations they are in danger!!
If you read through the article they address that. Apparently they've known for some time that the attic was an extreme fire danger and aging has dried the wood to a point that it's extremely flammable. Due to the building's age it doesn't follow any fire codes so there weren't any fireblocks or anything up there hence the voracity in which the fire took over.

The article also addresses the construction company and the precautions they have to follow as well as the history of fires. Apparently the church is very apprehensive of any electricity in the rafters.

Also, these churches haven't been safe from fires for hundreds of years. Fire has been destroying man made buildings for centuries. Let's not pretend that is something new.
 

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If you read through the article they address that. Apparently they've known for some time that the attic was an extreme fire danger and aging has dried the wood to a point that it's extremely flammable. Due to the building's age it doesn't follow any fire codes so there weren't any fireblocks or anything up there hence the voracity in which the fire took over.

The article also addresses the construction company and the precautions they have to follow as well as the history of fires. Apparently the church is very apprehensive of any electricity in the rafters.

Also, these churches haven't been safe from fires for hundreds of years. Fire has been destroying man made buildings for centuries. Let's not pretend that is something new.
I don't have an account for NYT. I guess it is possible.
 

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LOL!

https://www.theonion.com/investigators-trace-cause-of-notre-dame-fire-to-cathedr-1834116819

PARIS—Saying the devastation could perhaps have been avoided with some routine upgrades to modern 200-amp service, investigators announced Wednesday they have traced the cause of the Notre Dame fire to the cathedral’s archaic electrical system, which dates back to the 12th century. “In our examination of the wreckage, we discovered that some of the circuit breakers and sockets hadn’t been updated since the reign of Louis XII,” said lead investigator Jean-Luc Marchand, explaining that many of the fuses from the time of the cathedral’s construction were made of solid oak, while much of the wiring consisted of twisted cords of straw. “The light bulbs we found were so incredibly antiquated that their filaments were made of wool strips dipped in kerosene or whale oil. To make matters worse, Notre Dame’s entire electrical system was hooked into the power company’s transformer on the pole outside with a single strand of hemp twine. It’s a miracle the damage wasn’t worse.” Marchand went on to add that the fire likely started due to a malfunction from one of the rectory’s 14th-century wicker space heaters.
 

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Oh wait... You serious???

Preservation of Evidence, that's why. If you ASS-U-ME its an accident, you have already made a judgment. You are not quickly trying to find every piece of surveillance footage, testing for chemicals, ect.

Do you think insurance adjustors assume you are not at fault as default when evaluating claims? Do you think investigators assume natural causes when they find dead prostitutes in the woods?

How the hell can they boldly proclaim "its an accident, no evidence of foul play" 20 minutes I to the damn thing burning down?

Who gave them that script?

Look, let me break this down as simplistic as I can. I said to go in without ANY preconceived notions. That means they look at all possible scenarios. I never said they go in assuming it was an accident. In fact, I am claiming to assume nothing.

Your insurance adjustor comparison doesn't compare. Insurance companies have a vested interest in it not being something they cover, so they purposely look for anything that could be construed as the customers fault. In theory, investigators have no motive behind their investigation other than to find the truth.

I would hope they wouldn't just assume it was terrorism because then everything they find will be looked at through that lens and thus cause them to potentially see evidence the wrong way.

I hope it does just turn out to be an accident but if it ends up being terrorism committed by muslims like is being insinuated here, they should be hunted down.

I have no love for the Muslim faith but I also believe in loving your neighbor. As well as giving someone the benefit of the doubt until that specific person proves otherwise. I will not stereotype whole groups based on what some in that group do. Just like I dont want to be stereotyped because of what some do in the group's I am part of.
 

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There were 1063 attacks on Christian churches and statues in France alone in 2018. It's happening all over Europe as well. This happening the week of Easter might be a coincidence or it might be something else.

Regardless whether or not it was an attack or an accident, the Christian faith is under seige. I wonder what the headlines would be if 1000+ mosques and Muslim statues were desecrated?
 

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Apparently the entire place is loaded with sensors and dedicated staff that patrols for fire. A building of that importance is monitored like a hawk so I imagine they'd have a pretty quick idea of what caused it as opposed to a building that isn't. FWIW none of the construction crew was there so it's not like that area was teaming with people. As soon as the first alarm went off they had someone up there and judging by the photos of rafters it's not easy to get in and out of. Here's an in depth article on the building and the fire. It will be interesting to see what the cause was:
Notre-Dame Attic Was Known as ‘the Forest.’ And It Burned Like One.


Surprised it didnt pop up already. It was likely an arson attack.

Car found packed with gas canisters near Notre Dame
 

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Well shit, good catch. Popped up on my feed and I started reading it but wasn't able to finish. Was wondering why it wasn't all over lol.
The answer to that is that the media sucks ass at their jobs so even if it were current I'm sure you'd never hear it....unless it was a white NRA member that voted for Trump, then it would be plastered all over the news.
 

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Workers rush to secure Notre Dame's weakened structure - live updates

In the U.S., a New Jersey man was charged with attempted arson Thursday after trying to enter the historic St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York carrying gas cans and lighters. Police said Marc Lamparello, 37, parked his minivan outside the historic cathedral just before 8 p.m. Wednesday, CBS News correspondent Mola Lenghi reports.

Lamparello then tried entering the building carrying four gallons of gasoline, two bottles of lighter fluid and two butane lighters. He was quickly stopped by security inside and turned away -- but not before police said he spilled gasoline on the floor.

Counterterrorism police outside followed him back to his car, where he told them he was just cutting through the cathedral and that his car was out of gas. Police found that wasn't the case and took him into custody.
 

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Workers rush to secure Notre Dame's weakened structure - live updates

In the U.S., a New Jersey man was charged with attempted arson Thursday after trying to enter the historic St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York carrying gas cans and lighters. Police said Marc Lamparello, 37, parked his minivan outside the historic cathedral just before 8 p.m. Wednesday, CBS News correspondent Mola Lenghi reports.

Lamparello then tried entering the building carrying four gallons of gasoline, two bottles of lighter fluid and two butane lighters. He was quickly stopped by security inside and turned away -- but not before police said he spilled gasoline on the floor.

Counterterrorism police outside followed him back to his car, where he told them he was just cutting through the cathedral and that his car was out of gas. Police found that wasn't the case and took him into custody.

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