Well except nobody actually wants carbon ceramic rotors other than car show people
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Would ya now? How often are you on track? Lol CC brakes are for people with no budget concerns at all, a 2pce steel will 100% do the job in all applications as far as track days go. Most real race cars are also on steel. CC is for F1 and show offs
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Pretty sure those are 2 piece rotors, and no doubt that this new 500 will cut corners better than any previous Cobra/GT500. I agree Carbon Ceramic rotors would be a nice option for the track spec model.
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No worries, I jack shit up all the time.
It needs to be an option. Ford always cutting corners. Just like the cheap looking wheels. Lol
They would like nice behind the carbon wheels for the flashy guys. I just know they went with steel because people complain about the cost of running them on these sub 100k cars with little benefit. Realistically, no benefit
Dropping 50% or more in unsprung weight vs. steel is a pretty nice benefit. To say there is virtually no benefit is not accurate at all. The current units on the 350 and 500 are still very heavy for a 2 piece setup.
Combine a CC with the CF wheels, and you would have ridiculously light package, and would really help hide the 4000+ lb girth of the car. Surely adapting the system on the GT wouldn't be overly complicated.
At least make it an option for those that are willing to check the box. Nobody would hold a gun to your head if you don't want them.
You’re right those are the heavy two piece rotors from ford. 30+lbs a rotor for a two piece is heavy as ****.
Also, @blk02edge a small amount of owners will be road course driving their gt500. Most of these cars will be street driven. Carbon ceramic rotors will last longer than the steel rotors for street driving. Not to mention it will drop unsprung weight a good 12+lbs per wheel.
The very high majority of track day drivers wont notice shit. Ive seen plenty of cars go from factory CC to steel with zero loss. The odd track day driver isnt experienced enough to reap the benefits, and the all the time track day people usually cant afford the running cost, hence why you rarely see them on lower budget cars like the gt500. Majority of z28 guys who track often swap to steel. Even the majority of GT3RS guys here are on steel rotors and running times near what the pros do on factory setups
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Porsche even recommends steel rotors for heavy track use.
Even mclarens are often on them lol, track days=use steel 99% of them time. It is fun holding CC rotors though, they feel like high density foam lol
I completely see your argument about cost vs. benefit, which applies to most folks who operate on a budget Dropping a couple grand each time you service the brakes isn't realistic for the vast majority of track rats.
With that being said, from a pure performance standpoint and excluding cost, there is a clear reason why virtually every single race team would choose CC over steel. It provides performance advantages that steel simply cannot match.
Well thats just not true though, most classes outside of prototype/lmp1 are on steel rotors. GTLM included.
That is only because the rules dictate it, not choice. The old GT1 (which was replaced by the GT class) class ran CC. In an attempt to reign in costs and encourage more teams to participate, they legislated them out. $25K in brake overhauls after each race is steep even for most professional race teams. With semi comparable BOP, would blow the doors off of the GTLM class cars of today (not solely due to brakes discs obviously).
That's like saying NASCAR chooses to run pushrod, solid axle cars, with 4spd manual trans because it's the best setup.
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Was that not my point? Its very obvious that CC is better, but they are cost inhibitive for anyone but the richest of race teams. Now who do you think is going to benefit from them when we are talking about sub 100k cars? Like I said, casual track day drivers are simply not good enough to achieve the benefits and people like me who are on track pretty much all the time can not afford it. And... Nobody with properly prepped steel brakes has issues.
These arent just my opinions, plenty of late night heated arguments have gone on with my friends and I, one friend being a pirelli PWC champ in the GT class who has also run in the weathertech series in GTD with a GT3R. His opinion is, doesnt matter.. He says the same when we argue about cross drilled vs slotted etc
I think we are violently agreeing
At least make it an option, and let folks decide. If you're willing to shell out for a set of CF wheels, why not go all the way with a trick set of brakes. What's another $5K at this price point? It's not any more of a ridiculous option as taped vs. painted stripes. Just another profit generator.
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