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SHOdown220

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The people who say 'FCA build quality sucks'

apparently haven't sat in a FCA vehicle 2015 or newer....

and @jeffh81 why's the DEF suck? Shits cheap as balls

It's cheap until something goes wrong in the system or you aren't paying attention and filling up at the diesel pump and accidentally fill your fuel tank with DEF. That last one is a true story of a customer of mine with a brand new under 5k mile F250. Cost him like 10 grand out of pocket to fix that mistake
 

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It's cheap until something goes wrong in the system or you aren't paying attention and filling up at the diesel pump and accidentally fill your fuel tank with DEF. That last one is a true story of a customer of mine with a brand new under 5k mile F250. Cost him like 10 grand out of pocket to fix that mistake

I am definitely not a huge fan of it and we have numerous customers trucks come in who put diesel or coolant in the def tank even with 2 and 3 large banners saying not too. If a rental or lease company owns them, they often even have stickers on them saying the customer is responsible for any fluid other than def thats put in the tank but it still happens. People just don’t pay attention and go off muscle memory.

With that being said, from someone on the other side of the coin, I will take DEF and SCR catalyst over running ridiculous amounts of EGR any day.

If your gonna keep it long term, delete it. If not, run it as long as you can get a warranty for, trade it in, and go do it all over again especially for work. Either way your gonna pay; might as well have the newest while doing it.

I work for International so for the people in the know.........yeah that says it all.
 

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It's cheap until something goes wrong in the system or you aren't paying attention and filling up at the diesel pump and accidentally fill your fuel tank with DEF. That last one is a true story of a customer of mine with a brand new under 5k mile F250. Cost him like 10 grand out of pocket to fix that mistake

so don't be an idiot....

Stupid is expensive. Always has been. Always will be.

My brother's a service writer at Ford, and he LOVES those calls. Easy $10,000 ticket. Sucks to suck.
 

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You can thank whatever congressmen are getting kickbacks from the DEF fluid patent holder lobbyists.
 

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I am definitely not a huge fan of it and we have numerous customers trucks come in who put diesel or coolant in the def tank even with 2 and 3 large banners saying not too. If a rental or lease company owns them, they often even have stickers on them saying the customer is responsible for any fluid other than def thats put in the tank but it still happens. People just don’t pay attention and go off muscle memory.

With that being said, from someone on the other side of the coin, I will take DEF and SCR catalyst over running ridiculous amounts of EGR any day.

If your gonna keep it long term, delete it. If not, run it as long as you can get a warranty for, trade it in, and go do it all over again especially for work. Either way your gonna pay; might as well have the newest while doing it.

I work for International so for the people in the know.........yeah that says it all.

actually running a ridiculous amount of EGR is quite common. Navistar-International is a special case cause we were the only one using hydraulic unit injectors instead of common rail. So to compensate and get a more complete burn (lower soot output) we had to run stupid high injection pressures which causes a host of other issues. I was running oil rails at 6,300psi which is then intensified inside the injector to over 50,000psi at the nozzle. Stuff didnt live long at those pressures and management canceled the program before everything was sorted out.
 

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