**** YOU, GM. Just die.

mc01svt said:

Without writing a thesis about all this just consider this.

the coyote has a 6,000psi direct injection pump, sprayed in cylinder liner and a plastic oil pan. You have to be a fool to think these will hold up when the miles start piling on. The tundra 5.7L has a normal 60psi port injection, proper cast iron liners and a metal oil pan. Spray deposited liners are unheard of in the truck world, this tech comes from race engines and motorcycles, when it wears out the engine is effectively junk.

Did you notice that ford never offered the coyote as the base engine in the super duty? There's a reason for that, it can not and does not meet the durability requirements that the 2v 5.4L did. Same can be said for the ecoboost 3.5L, it makes the power but it will not live long at higher load cycles.

all this doesn't matter as people trade the trucks in every 4yrs chasing the latest tech and shiniest grill. If you want a long lasting ford truck you had better buy a super duty.

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svtfocus2cobra said:

As someone who has seen my fair share of 5.4s come through already, most of the time it is owner neglect with just simple oil changes. Lots and lots of issues we see are essentially just owner neglect and lack of maintenance. The reason you see so many high mileage Toyotas is because a lot of their owners are often a certain type of person who is anal-retentive in everything they do and they do things by the book and they use a scheduler so they never miss a single appointment ever. No car is making it to a million miles on its own. It will have service records a mile long before it gets there because water pumps are going to fail, belts are going to fail, plastics in the engine are going to get brittle from oil and heat and absolutely will break in time. All of these things are inevitable.

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ZYBORG said:

Couldn’t agree with this more. It’s all about the owner base. Toyota guys are much much less prone to be as abusive as the Ford guys. Fords, especially mustangs and 150s get sodomized daily. Toyota guys are more likely to give their vehicles a fair shake. Lol

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me32 said:

Nice argument on the ford 5.4. Part of those issues were owner neglect.

I find it funny thoe because the ford 6.2L has been out living the Toyota 5.7. With proper maintenance. Now the 6.2L isnt gonna win any mpg but its gonna win some races.

Btw Toyota is still having issues with frame rust. Just saying

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mc01svt said:

instead of throwing insults how about challenging my position?

Would you like to explain to me how an engine with plasma spray deposited or nikasil cylinders is just as durable as a cast iron or steel sleeved engine? If you believe that, i dont know what else to tell you and i'll rest my case.

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Junior00 said:

I've given up, I just went out and bought an '07 2500 with the last of the 5.9 Cummins. At least I know the damn engine will outlive me...the rest is up for debate lol.

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me32 said:

Your blind if you think Toyota really cares about reliability. I guess you haven't heard about the rusting frames. In no way is that reliability.

Fact is all the manufacturers are making throw away vehicles. Why so you can buy a new one every 5-7 yrs.

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gimmie11s said:

You obviously don’t know anything about nikasil, how long it’s been used, on which platforms, or for how long.

I’ll let you go ahead and marinate in your ignorance for a few more decades.

Maybe by then some manufactures will have cylinders made of fiber. Oh wait......


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mc01svt said:

porsche started using nikasil on their road race cars way back in the 70s. Other car and bike manufacturers started adopting it slowly over time. It's only about .01" thick and has a rockwell hardness (C scale) of 72-80. Slightly different than plasma spray deposit that ford uses but same concept. Neither are practical to rework unless you have a very precise hone process.

There isn't a single commercial engine, marine, genset, off highway equipment or medium duty truck application that uses plated cylinders. All these engines use either iron, compacted graphite blocks and in rare cases of AL blocks there is always a steel/iron sleeve.

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me32 said:

Your blind if you think Toyota really cares about reliability. I guess you haven't heard about the rusting frames. In no way is that reliability.

Fact is all the manufacturers are making throw away vehicles. Why so you can buy a new one every 5-7 yrs.

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VenomVeins said:

Seriously cannot wait for this shit company to go under for good. Point Blank: You’re a total dumb**** if you buy this company’s product.

“General Motors Co. is trying to avoid recalling potentially deadly Takata air bag inflators in thousands of full-size pickup trucks and SUVs for the FOURTH straight year”

GM keeps trying to avoid recalling potentially deadly Takata air bag inflators

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