Your right about that. Cost of living is through the roof. Takes 2 incomes to have a family out this way. 1 to pay the mortgage, 2nd to pay for the kids lol.
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They were paying traveling nurses to go out there and work the understaffed hospitals. I cant remember the wages, but it was insane and they covered room and board.
The couple of traveling nurses i met said they love it. Its almost like a paid vacation. Since there room and board are covered they get to spend money site seeing when they actually have some days off.
Also in my personal experience the travel nurses are much nicer and love there job more than the nurse that actually work for the hospital.
GM doesn't want crippling legacy costs.
Plus they’re traveling and usually younger without a family, so, you know, they’re fun to hang with on breaks, in the stairwell, etc.
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I am not your typical union guy, I am a conservative, hard working, Republican, union steward. There is a lot of misinformation flying around, so I will see what I can clear up.
1. You can't fire a union employee.
Yes, you can. Most employees are fired for time and attendance which is cut and dried and the union can't help them. Other problems can cause termination if the supervisor documents the infractions and follows the company policies to fire the employee. The problem is that most lower and middle management are just as lazy as the people they are complaining about and don't do their part to solve the problem.
2.Unions fight for the bad employees.
Yes, we do. You don't have to fight for the good employees because they don't get in trouble. If there is a bad employee and management has done their due diligence, we put up a token fight. If management has not done their part, we defend the member tooth and nail so that later people don't start getting fired on a supervisor's whim.
3. Unions don't impact non-union wages
Wages and benefits in a union shop are generally higher than a non union shop. I am not a believer in the mantra that without unions every job would go to minimum wage with no benefits, but I do believe that the union scale makes non-union shops keep pace in order to keep workers and keep unions out.
4.Unions send jobs overseas.
A lot goes into a companies decision to move a plant overseas. You can find areas around the world where people will work for pennies an hour. Often the labor rates alone are not enough to move a plant. Environmental regulations, taxes, utility rates all play a roll in making the decision to move a plant. We still have manufacturing in the US because our quality and productivity generally offset the lower wages.
5.A monkey could do that job.
Yes, probably, but you couldn't pay me enough to do that mind numbing soulless task. Hence the higher pay for those that can do it.
6. I can negotiate my own deal.
Imagine 100,000 people tromping into HR every 1,2,3 or 4 years trying to renew their contract. Not exactly an efficient way to run a major corporation.
1. You can't fire a union employee.
Yes, you can. Most employees are fired for time and attendance which is cut and dried and the union can't help them. Other problems can cause termination if the supervisor documents the infractions and follows the company policies to fire the employee. The problem is that most lower and middle management are just as lazy as the people they are complaining about and don't do their part to solve the problem.
2.Unions fight for the bad employees.
Yes, we do. You don't have to fight for the good employees because they don't get in trouble. If there is a bad employee and management has done their due diligence, we put up a token fight. If management has not done their part, we defend the member tooth and nail so that later people don't start getting fired on a supervisor's whim.
3. Unions don't impact non-union wages
Wages and benefits in a union shop are generally higher than a non union shop. I am not a believer in the mantra that without unions every job would go to minimum wage with no benefits, but I do believe that the union scale makes non-union shops keep pace in order to keep workers and keep unions out.
4.Unions send jobs overseas.
A lot goes into a companies decision to move a plant overseas. You can find areas around the world where people will work for pennies an hour. Often the labor rates alone are not enough to move a plant. Environmental regulations, taxes, utility rates all play a roll in making the decision to move a plant. We still have manufacturing in the US because our quality and productivity generally offset the lower wages.
5.A monkey could do that job.
Yes, probably, but you couldn't pay me enough to do that mind numbing soulless task. Hence the higher pay for those that can do it.
6. I can negotiate my own deal.
Imagine 100,000 people tromping into HR every 1,2,3 or 4 years trying to renew their contract. Not exactly an efficient way to run a major corporation.
Here's my thing.. what if the Union workers simply became to expensive, and drove costs of goods up? It's hard to expect a company to maintain financial health when the cost of their workforce is more than just the labor hours.
I'm laughing my ass off at this entire post.
But are they really too expensive? The cost of goods always seem to go up.
Use Walmart for example. No union but the prices keep raising.
Mine too
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He certainly has a different viewpoint lol
The whole seniority fallacy is the greatest example if what a joke they are. Seriously, just because you have more years on the job (notice I didn't say skills or experience) entitles you to priority over someone else????? Hilarious
Not so funny story:
I work in the commercial construction industry, and we use both union and non-union contractors. I have personally seen, on numerous occasions, the work of non-union workers mysteriously vandalized, damaged, and flat out destroyed by phantoms. Could never prove anything, but everyone on the job site clearly knew who did it.
The most memorable example was between a union electrician and non-union HVAC firms. The HVAC started with some of their work, because surprise, the electricians were behind schedule. The union dirt bags ripped down all the ducting to make their wire runs. Unbelievable
I hope no one was planning on getting a C8 Vette before the end of the year.
They raised the pay scale of employees so they have to pass the costs off onto someone.
Back when I worked there we had talks of a union and they promptly found reasons to fire the ones who started the talks.
Wrong paying there employees more passing it on to us. Yeah there are tariffs but good On Trump for doing something about it. I hardly shop at Walmart anymore. I did for oil but they pissed me off with the ammo stance.
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Pickups are what matter around here, I wonder if dealers tried to load up inventory before the strike? I think they are maybe surprised they have been out this long.
You sir are correct. They called me twice over the last month to come back and offered me substantially more than I left making. They are even getting rid of overnight stockers to save money.
If it means China gets the message on currency manipulation and that this country is done letting them walk all over us then Ill pay higher prices on Chinese imports.
The cost of goods constantly going up is due to a large number of factors.
Unions are too expensive because invariably, there's a non-union outfit that can do the same job, with equal or better quality, for less cost. The only reason they get any work is because of their extortion tactics.
Dude the vast majority of Walmart is american made and american copied. They buy low price bulk and sell it low. Walmart has the lowest margin of any store to keep the prices down and pays the lowest to keep them down also. Target pays 13$ a hour and Walmart 10$ a hour for the same job. Walmart hires only part time now and maxes out at 32hrs a week to avoid paying for insurance. When I worked there we all got hired on Full-time at 40+ hour weeks.
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