"Sorry folks, wrong house."
Case involving home damage from SWAT
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The more I read in to it the more I think this guy had a bad lawyer and said lawyer potentially filed under the wrong grievance
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When I was at CQB school, Victoria, VA SWAT came to the school house to train along side us. They got all geared up and started doing a warm up jog around the range and they had their Jolly Roger flag flying high as they made their way around in formation. Only problem was that most of them appeared to be severely overweight for the physical requirements of the job. They would often do force on force at the end of the school with the CQB students and it usually ended in us obliterating them.
My platoon also beat Seattle SWAT on a ferry drill but I wasn't a part of that. My seniors that were a part of it said that their tactics were outdated and they just weren't that good. There are a lot of cities that put a lot of money and effort into training their SWAT though, like Everett, Wa which two of my buddies from RTT are up there and while they aren't on SWAT there they said they put a lot of money into it and the guys running it are prior SOF or have a background in CQB at least.
So you're saying that localities would rather throw money at swat giving them new toys to play with instead of better training? Color me shocked
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"Here's the surplus MRAP you guys asked for so you can drive through structures instead of conducting dynamic entries"
Some of you guys blaming the insurance company obviously don't own homes. When you buy a home you insure it. The structure is insured for $XXX,XXX of dollars and belongings are insured for $XXX,XXX. You can raise or deduct from either one of those numbers, but it will effect the premium.
Now as for the SWAT hit for a shoplifter. On the surface it sounds like a gross over reach and abuse of power. But not having all the facts I can't say either way.
Now as for the SWAT hit for a shoplifter. On the surface it sounds like a gross over reach and abuse of power. But not having all the facts I can't say either way.
Oh for sure they look indistinguishable from a SEAL team ready to conduct a raid in Afghanistan. Anytime I criticize the militarization of US LE on social media (my first mistake) I receive a ton of push back from LEO’s and boot lickers. The argument is usually they should have the same equipment as a SOF team since they can often encounter gangs and the cartel.
My gripe is these guys are wearing multi-cam, carrying MK18’s with suppressors, PEQ15’s and NVD’s on a no knock raid. I can’t understand why they would need the capability to quietly shoot Americans in the middle of the night without being seen or heard first. Seems like a huge violation of the 4th Amendment to me. No knock raids should be illegal. And it’s worse when they hit the wrong house. Now some innocent homeowner shoots at what he believes are home invaders and either gets killed or arrested and his life ruined.
This guy wasn’t just a shoplifter, he had a shootout with the police and barricaded himself inside the poor guy’s home. The police aren’t going to wait for a month for the guy to finally come out after he potentially shoots someone. Gas was deployed and was ineffective apparently. Shoplifting is hardly the focal point in this, but simple minded people just clue in on that and don’t rationalize the rest.
Did you expect the police to just leave an armed and dangerous suspect who burglarized a home(higher offense than shoplifting) and shot at the police(a higher offense than shoplifting and burglary)? All other tactics failed and taking apart pieces of the home was the proper step in that situation.
Did you expect the police to just leave an armed and dangerous suspect who burglarized a home(higher offense than shoplifting) and shot at the police(a higher offense than shoplifting and burglary)? All other tactics failed and taking apart pieces of the home was the proper step in that situation.
There are perfectly good reasons for all those things you disagree with. You do not understand the job or the necessities of the job.
If nobody else is in the house, what's the rush?
(I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just trying to have a dialog asking simple/stupid questions)
*edit*
I mean if dude is in the house by himself, you have the house surrounded (aka he can't go anywhere), and you can stop other people from entering the house, why drive an armored vehicle in to it?
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19 hours is not a rush. That’s an extremely long time for a barricade to continue. It isn’t a viable option to simply wait the guy out while he tries to snipe people through a window. He would probably stay in there indefinitely and that’s a lot of risk to leave him be because of property damage.
I feel bad for the homeowner, but he needs to sue the suspect(although we know he will get nothing out of it). Under the circumstances the police should not be held liable. If a gun wasn’t involved and no shooting then the police would not have destroyed the home.
Enlighten me. And please justify the use of no knock raids.
I obviously didn't read the article so I didn't know it was a 19hr thing.
In before Wako reference
Let's say the police went in with boots on the ground and only damaged the entryway (while risking lives of LEOs) and then shot and killed the suspect. That death in the home has to be disclaimed in order to sell, right? What happens to the value lost due to that death in the home that has (arguably) little connection to the owner?
I understand I'm asking what ifs and hypotheticals so I'm not expecting an amazing response.
End of the day, homeowner still got bent over.
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Sure thing: @97desertCobra
the camouflage is for concealment(would you want to be on an inner perimeter with an armed suspect inside a house peeking through windows?). It’s also intimidating for suspects and definitely prompts their surrender.
The suppressors are for distinguishing between team guys and bad guys gunfire. People have some misconception that suppressors make the gun quiet, which they do not. They are still loud, although you can shoot them without ear protection.
As far as no knock warrants, that’s a safety issue. No knock warrants are typically reserved for violent and armed suspects when the mere notification of an impending warrant execution can incite a very dangerous reaction. Lives have been saved by no knocks. It’s not like these are speeding ticket warrants that are being no knocked. These people are the worst of the worst and can and sometimes do shoot at police. The use of no knock warrants is judicious and predicated upon certain circumstances. The element of surprise and violence of action saves lives of police and suspects alike.
the camouflage is for concealment(would you want to be on an inner perimeter with an armed suspect inside a house peeking through windows?). It’s also intimidating for suspects and definitely prompts their surrender.
The suppressors are for distinguishing between team guys and bad guys gunfire. People have some misconception that suppressors make the gun quiet, which they do not. They are still loud, although you can shoot them without ear protection.
As far as no knock warrants, that’s a safety issue. No knock warrants are typically reserved for violent and armed suspects when the mere notification of an impending warrant execution can incite a very dangerous reaction. Lives have been saved by no knocks. It’s not like these are speeding ticket warrants that are being no knocked. These people are the worst of the worst and can and sometimes do shoot at police. The use of no knock warrants is judicious and predicated upon certain circumstances. The element of surprise and violence of action saves lives of police and suspects alike.
The homeowner definitely got bent over. It’s a very bad situation I wish on nobody.
Treed me!
But yea... Seems like the Insurance Co and City ought to be in Court fighting it out.
LMAO!!
R U ****ing kidding me???? The homeowner got completely ****ed in this deal. And you want him to waste his ****ing time suing the deadbeat perp??
The homeowner is gonna appeal to SCOTUS and I hope he gets MILLIONS in damages and other costs. This incident is total BS, but hey, the cops probably had a great time and went out for a lot of celebratory beers afterwards.
No I’m not ****ing kidding, calm down Pelosi.
It looks like the only recourse would be to sue the perp, but we all know that's a dead end street
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haha, I'm usually pretty calm, but after that post, and your subsequent post endorsing murderous no-knock raids, I need a couple of Xanax.......
....... I mean, what next, do you want the local cops to be driving up with Abrams tanks?? Or maybe we should just do drone strikes instead of no-knocks..... jeez..Users who are viewing this thread
