Motor Trend Track Comparison between C8 and GT500 at VIR
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Wow, the C8 Z51 looks like a great base to work from.
Wonder how a couple good go fast part thrown in would work, or dang, even a blower pushing 8-9 psi? Gonna have to wait to see what that looksl ike with all the extra cooling in the Z51 package.
What a great time for American performance cars!
C8 Z51 with $10k of upgrades or Base GT500 for same money..tough choice!
Wonder how a couple good go fast part thrown in would work, or dang, even a blower pushing 8-9 psi? Gonna have to wait to see what that looksl ike with all the extra cooling in the Z51 package.
What a great time for American performance cars!
C8 Z51 with $10k of upgrades or Base GT500 for same money..tough choice!
I have yet to see anyone here claim the C8 would be faster... I also have yet to see anyone claim the ZLE would be faster than the CFTP. People are getting sooo pussified when their inanimate object get 'attacked'
Ya know what "unofficially" means? Lol it proves absolutely **** all that the GT500 can beat the ACR and I think you know that deep down so ill just leave that debate there.
Some people would be unsatisfied if they shit 24k gold.
2-3 sec according to Pobst, during the C8 only test, wher all the performance data was actually generated. The GT500 and C8 were tested on different days.
As to your second question, look at the GT500 only MT review. They mention that the CFTP had neg camber added vs. the base GT500.
They were talking about the increase in camber that the CFTP car comes with over that of the Base (as being an increase) with and created some ambiguity in the way they worded it.
From the 2020 GT500 Supplement.
Base car street specs with track recommendations...
CFTP, same, note more negative camber listed for the street. Also note that the CFTP takes caster numbers to another level on an S550 chassis, highest I've seen for it to date (and it is the same for the CFTP car whether Track or Street).
From the 2020 GT500 Supplement.
Base car street specs with track recommendations...
CFTP, same, note more negative camber listed for the street. Also note that the CFTP takes caster numbers to another level on an S550 chassis, highest I've seen for it to date (and it is the same for the CFTP car whether Track or Street).
Makes sense. I wish the testers would make mention of these details. The statement definitely leaves some doubt regarding the status of the suspension settings, and the presence of Ford engineers adds to the ambiguity.
At the end of the day its all trivial. The cars a damn fast any way you want to slice it.
Complementing what Tob mentioned, these cars should be tested TOTALLY STOCK AS DELIVERED FROM THE FACTORY to see how they do on the track. Then WITHOUT REPLACING PARTS (or if it comes FROM THE FACTORY with better performing items that are dealer or customer installed) then test again after those parts or any performance adjustments to the factory items are installed or done to see the improvement if any.
Basically (example: related to camber settings), test the car with stock factory settings then test again after adjusting suspension alignment for track use and see the difference in times. So if you are buying this car to go on the track you have an idea what you can do with the factory parts after any allowable and necessary adjustments are made.
Tony
Basically (example: related to camber settings), test the car with stock factory settings then test again after adjusting suspension alignment for track use and see the difference in times. So if you are buying this car to go on the track you have an idea what you can do with the factory parts after any allowable and necessary adjustments are made.
Tony
+8' caster is nothing, it gives great direction stability.
Vettes stock are +7' or more caster and I've found out that on C7 cars and my ZR1 there is an adjustment for rear caster and some shops might not have the equipment to be able to measure and adjust rear caster.
Tony
Vettes stock are +7' or more caster and I've found out that on C7 cars and my ZR1 there is an adjustment for rear caster and some shops might not have the equipment to be able to measure and adjust rear caster.
Tony
Tony, 8 degrees of positive caster is much more than nothing. My Fox with MM plates was lucky to get 3 degrees. S197's were an improvement with much better numbers and the S550 carried the torch even further. Hitting 8 degrees is significant.
Foxes never got more than +3-4' of caster even with camber caster plates. It's just the way the shock towers were setup back in the day for that car.
S197 takes it up to +5 and a bit if I remember correctly (I had MM caster/camber plates on my 13 GT500 and after install and got the car to the rack told the guy to get me as much caster as possible while compensating for road crown and it was up to +5 and a bit on the screen).
Yes +8' caster is way more than 0' caster, my "nothing" comment was meant to be subjective and not to be taken as a literal meaning.
European cars (MB, BMW, Porsches) run caster #'s up there like what the Vettes and now these 500 cars run. That's why when you see these Euro cars stationary and with the wheels turned hard there is that major spindle inclination when viewed from the side.
S197 takes it up to +5 and a bit if I remember correctly (I had MM caster/camber plates on my 13 GT500 and after install and got the car to the rack told the guy to get me as much caster as possible while compensating for road crown and it was up to +5 and a bit on the screen).
Yes +8' caster is way more than 0' caster, my "nothing" comment was meant to be subjective and not to be taken as a literal meaning.
European cars (MB, BMW, Porsches) run caster #'s up there like what the Vettes and now these 500 cars run. That's why when you see these Euro cars stationary and with the wheels turned hard there is that major spindle inclination when viewed from the side.
Old friends:
Referring to the GT500...
He said this a couple times. All while trying to buy the GT500.
Heat soak, consistency, at least his comments are thoughtful and makes sense all day tracking.
Kaneda again
Performance vs price here.
I believe Depwraith made a comment how the c8 would take the 500 on track.
Of course this was when everyone was pissed Ford was late with the car and info.
Even GTS made a comment about how crazy people are to believe the c8 base/z51 would be faster on track over the new 500.
I think we can all agree that Kanedas opinions meant zero. Klaus... You screwed up. And deadlyforce was pretty bang on minus the heat soak.
Using Kaneda statements, as the basis for your argument. Lolololol
ON D BIT, how do you like these apples?
C8 ——— GT500 ——— CFTP GT500
C8 beat out the 500 at its bread and butter (1/4 mile) with 260 less HP and smaller less stickier tires.
ON D BIT, how do you like these apples?
C8 ——— GT500 ——— CFTP GT500
C8 beat out the 500 at its bread and butter (1/4 mile) with 260 less HP and smaller less stickier tires.
Thats fine, I am happy to admit when wrong. Just to be clear, I was not going to the mat on either car and I am not a fanboi of either. Both are badass and close enough on both the track and straight line that is may be a drivers race between the two. I have been pretty impressed with what I have seen SP do in the GT500 though.
I have yet to see a c8 from a dealer run 10.6 @ 130+.
This is such a dumb use of comparison's, it is already established the GT500 runs way better times than some magazine shoot has provided. Keep it in your pants, the C8 is not faster in the 1/4 mile. Show me C8 times in the mid to upper 10s then you have a case, other wise STFU
I’m not talking cars in private hands. Who knows what’s been done.
this magazine testing, is the most standardized we have.
the c8 won, no excuses. Lol
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