Anyone else doing Keto?

I've decided to try the Keto diet because most other diets haven't worked very well for me over the years. I've been on it for almost a month now and I'm no longer having the carb withdrawals. I actually feel really good being that my diet consists of 71% fat, 21% protein, and 5% carbohydrates. Yeah I'm craving pizza, bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, etc., etc., etc. However on the plus side I do get to indulge in one of my very favorite foods.... STEAK!

U.M.

This is what I had last weekend.... which reminds me... I need to order more Wagyu!

I did it a year or 2 ago, it does work but as soon as i reintroduced carbs most weigh came back.

I do think what you learn about food on it is very good experience though.

My mother in law is "on keto"..
Only eats 1 slice of pizza a day...
She clearly doesn't get it and hates me for dosing her with reality.

Username checks out.

Friend of mine went on Keto last April through Dec. Lost 50lbs and in Dec indulged in carbs. Didnt gain much. Hes back onKeto cause he wants to lose 30 to 40 more lbs.

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Keto diets put quite a damper on testosterone levels. Something a lotta men overlook when considering this diet. Ketosis occurs by depleting your body of stored glycogen and incoming glucose from carbs. As a result, your body breaks down fat, creating ketone molecules to be used as fuel.

Its not so good if ur a man and trying to gain any sort of muscle while dieting or keep any muscle for that matter. Keto is ok for fat loss if that is ur only goal but just know it comes with some down sides.

You need glucose from carbs to stimulate the hormone that produces Testosterone. Low carbs also lead to higher levels of cortisol which is ur body stress hormone. Cortisol is a pure Testosterone killer.

And when cortisol levels are high for a long time your body begins to store fat. Without proper glucose ur body will make glucose from stored amino acids in ur liver. Ur body will then pillage muscle tissue for energy.

And the fact is most ppl who undertake this diet gain it all back almost instantly after quitting and u cant stay on this type of diet forever so imo its just not a good way to lose weight.

Or you know, you can just work out.

GNBRETT said:

Keto diets put quite a damper on testosterone levels. Something a lotta men overlook when considering this diet. Ketosis occurs by depleting your body of stored glycogen and incoming glucose from carbs. As a result, your body breaks down fat, creating ketone molecules to be used as fuel.

Its not so good if ur a man and trying to gain any sort of muscle while dieting or keep any muscle for that matter. Keto is ok for fat loss if that is ur only goal but just know it comes with some down sides.

You need glucose from carbs to stimulate the hormone that produces Testosterone. Low carbs also lead to higher levels of cortisol which is ur body stress hormone. Cortisol is a pure Testosterone killer.

And when cortisol levels are high for a long time your body begins to store fat. Without proper glucose ur body will make glucose from stored amino acids in ur liver. Ur body will then pillage muscle tissue for energy.

And the fact is most ppl who undertake this diet gain it all back almost instantly after quitting and u cant stay on this type of diet forever so imo its just not a good way to lose weight.

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So what you're saying is it's just like every other diet in that it has it's pro's & con's and ups & downs.

Really don't care much about my testosterone levels. Old lady says I'm too horny too often as it is.

Don't much care about muscle mass either. I'm a 57-year old IT guy who sits in front of a PC for 12 hours or more a day. So I'm not seeing much of a down side to all of this.

Thanks for your thoughts all the same though.

U.M.

I guess my point is bro its not really a sustainable diet u can stay on forever. Eventually ur cortisol levels will start to increase and therefore u will begin to store additional fat and due to the lower Testosterone levels ur body will start to eat itself (muscles).

Testosterone isn't just about ur sex drive. A man is made up of testosterone and when the test levels start to drop ur whole body will suffer. Sleep will decrease, cortisol fat in the belly will increase, energy levels will go down and muscle wasting will begin.

And the most important and dangerous thing that will happen with low-T is u will become much more likely to develop diabetes. Test will also help the body's tissues take up more blood sugar in response to insulin which is why those with diabetes almost always have low Testosterone.

Most ppl dieting are simply looking for an easier way to avoid the body response to hunger which is GREAT! I can remember watching a holocaust documentary and the woman was asked what was the worst thing about the concentration camps and she relied without hesitation "Hunger". Its one of ur body greatest motivators which is why dieting is so difficult.

If u simply prepare ur meals (3) days in advance and label them in the fridge its a really good way to lose weight. I know, sounds basic and dumb lol but it really does work.

Ur body needs carbs bro. U cant just eliminate them forever.

Uncle Meat said:

So what you're saying is it's just like every other diet in that it has it's pro's & con's and ups & downs.

Really don't care much about my testosterone levels. Old lady says I'm too horny too often as it is.

Don't much care about muscle mass either. I'm a 57-year old IT guy who sits in front of a PC for 12 hours or more a day. So I'm not seeing much of a down side to all of this.

Thanks for your thoughts all the same though.

U.M.

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I started Keto about 4 months ago and went from 6'1 255 down to 210 which was excellent motivation. IMO Keto isn't a permanent solution, but more along the lines of showing how much crap you actually eat and helps you lower your portions. Since about 3 weeks ago I've started hitting my gym hard (5 times a week) and I've implemented carbs back into my diet but at a moderate amount, not eating an entire pizza to my face or eating shitty fried food. Stick to healthier options and you're digestive system won't have to work overtime. I miss the days where I could eat anything I wanted just as long as I worked out 3-4 times a week.
Also, if you like to drink go with Tito/soda water and if you are like me you can throw in a few beers here and there. Just down pound down a 6 pack of IPA's a day and expect to be skinny.

I have come to the conclusion that any diet that eliminates entire food groups is just not going to work long term. In the short term you will definitely lose some weight on a keto diet, fat and muscle both...I would look into a more sustainable, better balanced diet that includes all food groups, get plenty of exercise, avoid obvious junk food, sodas etc. At your age it would not hurt to have a doctor do some blood work, make sure to get it all done. Thyroid, testosterone, esterdiol, cbc, lipids, progesterone etc....best of luck to you UM!

GNBRETT said:

Keto diets put quite a damper on testosterone levels. Something a lotta men overlook when considering this diet. Ketosis occurs by depleting your body of stored glycogen and incoming glucose from carbs. As a result, your body breaks down fat, creating ketone molecules to be used as fuel.

Its not so good if ur a man and trying to gain any sort of muscle while dieting or keep any muscle for that matter. Keto is ok for fat loss if that is ur only goal but just know it comes with some down sides.

You need glucose from carbs to stimulate the hormone that produces Testosterone. Low carbs also lead to higher levels of cortisol which is ur body stress hormone. Cortisol is a pure Testosterone killer.

And when cortisol levels are high for a long time your body begins to store fat. Without proper glucose ur body will make glucose from stored amino acids in ur liver. Ur body will then pillage muscle tissue for energy.

And the fact is most ppl who undertake this diet gain it all back almost instantly after quitting and u cant stay on this type of diet forever so imo its just not a good way to lose weight.

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I was reading about this a while back and most of this is unfounded, or has been disproven.

FWIW, there are a lot of body builders who have moved to keto with great results. The ultra marathon record holder states keto was the reason he was a success.

Also, how much weight you gain back after keto depends largely on the amount of carbs/calories you eat. It's been over a year since I've been on keto and I'm up a whopping 9lbs since I stopped. I've literally gained more weight on a week long cruise by letting myself go.

There are people who have been on a low carb/no carb diet for a lot of years without issue. Halle Berry has been low carb since the early 90s and believes it's part of the reason she still looks good even in her mid 50s.

I do it in short bursts if i need to lose lbs. or am feeling lethargic and fat.

Ive lost 15 lbs in a month on this diet.

Its a good diet for a lifestyle reset IMO. Use it to hit a target weight, then begin eating healthy and exercising.

I do not believe this is a diet you can live off forever for reasons metioned above.

AustinJ427 said:

I was reading about this a while back and most of this is unfounded, or has been disproven.

FWIW, there are a lot of body builders who have moved to keto with great results. The ultra marathon record holder states keto was the reason he was a success.

Also, how much weight you gain back after keto depends largely on the amount of carbs/calories you eat. It's been over a year since I've been on keto and I'm up a whopping 9lbs since I stopped. I've literally gained more weight on a week long cruise by letting myself go.

There are people who have been on a low carb/no carb diet for a lot of years without issue. Halle Berry has been low carb since the early 90s and believes it's part of the reason she still looks good even in her mid 50s.

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You know how much gear top level body builders are on? Its not just one thing, its a lot of shit, several anabolic agents being used with a lot of those guys. I would not take their results as typical, love it when some of these so called fitness influencers try to peddle certain diets, regimens and supplements when they are all gassed up. Now keto definitely works in the short term, but I would not do it longterm.

Regarding low carb. Well you can definitely do low carb, but I don't buy into the no carb thing. Workouts and energy levels just seem to plummet on no carb, well for me any ways.

GNBRETT said:

I guess my point is bro its not really a sustainable diet u can stay on forever. Eventually ur cortisol levels will start to increase and therefore u will begin to store additional fat and due to the lower Testosterone levels ur body will start to eat itself (muscles).

Testosterone isn't just about ur sex drive. A man is made up of testosterone and when the test levels start to drop ur whole body will suffer. Sleep will decrease, cortisol fat in the belly will increase, energy levels will go down and muscle wasting will begin.

And the most important and dangerous thing that will happen with low-T is u will become much more likely to develop diabetes. Test will also help the body's tissues take up more blood sugar in response to insulin which is why those with diabetes almost always have low Testosterone.

Most ppl dieting are simply looking for an easier way to avoid the body response to hunger which is GREAT! I can remember watching a holocaust documentary and the woman was asked what was the worst thing about the concentration camps and she relied without hesitation "Hunger". Its one of ur body greatest motivators which is why dieting is so difficult.

If u simply prepare ur meals (3) days in advance and label them in the fridge its a really good way to lose weight. I know, sounds basic and dumb lol but it really does work.

Ur body needs carbs bro. U cant just eliminate them forever.

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Once again thanks for your thoughts, but much of my reply was tongue-in-cheek so don't take it too serious. I don't plan on being on this diet forever, but I do want to try and take some of this fat off my bones.

Dip Dungles said:

I started Keto about 4 months ago and went from 6'1 255 down to 210 which was excellent motivation. IMO Keto isn't a permanent solution, but more along the lines of showing how much crap you actually eat and helps you lower your portions. Since about 3 weeks ago I've started hitting my gym hard (5 times a week) and I've implemented carbs back into my diet but at a moderate amount, not eating an entire pizza to my face or eating shitty fried food. Stick to healthier options and you're digestive system won't have to work overtime. I miss the days where I could eat anything I wanted just as long as I worked out 3-4 times a week.
Also, if you like to drink go with Tito/soda water and if you are like me you can throw in a few beers here and there. Just down pound down a 6 pack of IPA's a day and expect to be skinny.

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Scotch, either straight up or on-the-rocks is my poison of choice. 0 Carbs.

03Sssnake said:

I have come to the conclusion that any diet that eliminates entire food groups is just not going to work long term. In the short term you will definitely lose some weight on a keto diet, fat and muscle both...I would look into a more sustainable, better balanced diet that includes all food groups, get plenty of exercise, avoid obvious junk food, sodas etc. At your age it would not hurt to have a doctor do some blood work, make sure to get it all done. Thyroid, testosterone, esterdiol, cbc, lipids, progesterone etc....best of luck to you UM!

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Have no fear about my health! Since I'm retired military I get full annual exams to include all the blood work and a chest CT since I was a heavy smoker for years. For 57 I'm actually in pretty good health considering my current lifestyle. The only prescription meds I'm on are Zocor & Zetia for my cholesterol and I'm taking the smallest doses available. My HDL & LDL levels are all great. I have low blood pressure and my resting heart rate is 57-60 BPM. The only thing the doc warned me about was my blood sugar level. He said I'm on the brink of being pre-diabetic. I'm thinking this keto diet will change that for at least as long as I'm on it.

U.M.

03Sssnake said:

You know how much gear top level body builders are on? Its not just one thing, its a lot of shit, several anabolic agents being used with a lot of those guys. I would not take their results as typical, love it when some of these so called fitness influencers try to peddle certain diets, regimens and supplements when they are all gassed up. Now keto definitely works in the short term, but I would not do it longterm.

Regarding low carb. Well you can definitely do low carb, but I don't buy into the no carb thing. Workouts and energy levels just seem to plummet on no carb, well for me any ways.

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Yeah there are a lot of people who probably make money off of pedaling new diets and such, but even just poking around r/ketogains and you'll see there are tons of real people who do just fine with it. Being lethargic while working out is apparently pretty common initially, but eventually the energy comes back.

Also, I am a believer in bodies reacting differently to different things. My wife said she feels better working out on keto (especially while fasting) than she has ever felt before, me, not so much. Lifting is fine, but cardio is much more difficult. I also don't hit the gym like I should, so I never really got past the "initial" low energy phase.

I went to a sports fitness dr a couple years ago (test joint).

Their nutrition guy gave me a plan where I went very low carb for two days then regular for one. The regular day bumped my metabolism back up so ya I was hungry as hell the first day back.

He claimed it reduced some of the cons of long term low carb or calorie restricted diets.

Just a thought.


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AustinJ427 said:

Yeah there are a lot of people who probably make money off of pedaling new diets and such, but even just poking around r/ketogains and you'll see there are tons of real people who do just fine with it. Being lethargic while working out is apparently pretty common initially, but eventually the energy comes back.

Also, I am a believer in bodies reacting differently to different things. My wife said she feels better working out on keto (especially while fasting) than she has ever felt before, me, not so much. Lifting is fine, but cardio is much more difficult. I also don't hit the gym like I should, so I never really got past the "initial" low energy phase.

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FWIW I have done keto for some vanity lbs, 10-15lbs....its good for that, at least with me. I actually never had trouble with cardio, it was hitting the iron that sucked for me on Keto. Hard to get a good pump and have a good workout.

Uncle Meat said:

Once again thanks for your thoughts, but much of my reply was tongue-in-cheek so don't take it too serious. I don't plan on being on this diet forever, but I do want to try and take some of this fat off my bones.

Scotch, either straight up or on-the-rocks is my poison of choice. 0 Carbs.

Have no fear about my health! Since I'm retired military I get full annual exams to include all the blood work and a chest CT since I was a heavy smoker for years. For 57 I'm actually in pretty good health considering my current lifestyle. The only prescription meds I'm on are Zocor & Zetia for my cholesterol and I'm taking the smallest doses available. My HDL & LDL levels are all great. I have low blood pressure and my resting heart rate is 57-60 BPM. The only thing the doc warned me about was my blood sugar level. He said I'm on the brink of being pre-diabetic. I'm thinking this keto diet will change that for at least as long as I'm on it.

U.M.

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I bet that's the source of your issues, blood glucose being borderline can definitely cause you some trouble with weight. Did they check IGF as well?

Me and the wife have been doing Keto for around a year and a half. It worked great for me. I lost 55 pounds in the first 6 months and since have just used it to not gain weight. My wife is down almost 100 pounds. I would spend a few days during the week Intermittent fasting and that helped even more. I will say it wouldn’t be as easy and I probably wouldn’t have stuck with it long term if me and my wife weren’t both doing it and it gets a little tough changing things up and figuring out what you can eat when you eat out.


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I need someone to put me into a coma and plug in a feeding tube for a few months so I can lose weight. I enjoy eating (and drinking beer) way too much.

I’m almost 35 and 6’ 205#.

(If anyone wants a quick weight loss idea and they drink pop.
Quit drinking pop the same week you get a solid bout of diarrhea and you’ll lose 15 pounds.)

I've been doing it for about 3 years now with scheduled brakes here and there. I've not had my testosterone levels tested since I've been doing it, but I'd guess they are higher now than they were before. With everything that has an influence on testosterone, it might not be a direct result of the diet change, maybe an indirect result. The reason I stay with keto isn't the weight loss, it's the mental sharpness and my energy levels throughout the day.
I just turned 37 and I have a better build than I've ever had in my life. I don't know that I'd say my fitness is at it's peak because I wrestled in high school and my cardio was at a very high level back then.

I'm not an advocate one way or the other, I don't need to make some bold statement about what it will or won't do that contradicts other peoples' experience or scientific research. I'm not a gym bro and I couldn't care less what other people do.