Yes, you act as if manufacturers have not had to make changes to a car before it could be sold in the US market already.
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EPA to Start Aggressively Enforcing Emission Defeat Devices
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Yes, you act as if manufacturers have not had to make changes to a car before it could be sold in the US market already.
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They've never been forced to build self destruct devices with a hair trigger that gets pulled if it loses internet connection into their vehicles.
Based on how you're running your mouth about what a subject expert you are, it's pretty pathetic how you can't wrap your brain around this. You think the industry is more powerful than the EPA. They're not.
Furthermore, you're operating under the assumption that this switch can ONLY be implemented in ways that are intrusive, and harmful to customers. Quit being so obtuse, and think for 2 ****ing seconds, since.....you know....you're a big, bad expert and all.
Blow back from who? Not J.Q. public.
can the ATF require that all guns have an internet connection in order to be operational?
and yet when I ask simple exploratory questions that expose the GAPING holes in this insane idea that cars should essentially be cell phones or else they are rendered inert nobody here seems to want to walk down the path of exploring these massive problems.
i'll try this again:
Q. if the car has a preset date where if not updated it will become inoperable at what point does that date get set?
A. it must NECESSARILY be set prior to the point where it expires, therefore, it is a timer that if not "reset" will make the car not work.
Q. would you buy a car that required an internet connection in order to maintain functionality?
Q. do you think most people would?
Q. do you think the guy in the middle of wyoming with no internet connection would?
Q. what effect do you think this would have on new sales?
Q. why not just buy old cars?
Q. even if you got this shit to market what's to stop me from hacking my way around it?
Q. Do you know the requirements necessary to ensure nobody is hacking their way around this?
you guys aren't asking these questions because most people don't think like this because most people don't do this for a living. that's fine but its like you're talking to a guy who builds planes, showing him an idea, he's telling you all the reason why that won't actually fly, and you're ignoring all of the massive problems because your plan is to drop it out of a C130 at 30 thousand feet. because you don't know shit about planes. well, this is a software problem (not even getting into the hardware requirements) whether you guys realize it or not and what you are proposing NECESSARILY REQUIRES a dead man's switch be installed in the cars from the factory.
now, would you buy a car with a timebomb that made it a brick if it went without internet connection long enough?
you think ford, chevy, dodge, toyota, honda, and all the other companies are just going to build something that would kill new sales and drive people to the used market?
none of you will answer these questions because like most people you don't see how the very premise requires the feature be invasive and a shitty user experience for many people.
FURTHERMORE, EPA can mandate emissions related things. it does not have the power to mandate all cars be manufactured with expiration dates that require internet connections in order to stay functional. that isn't in their purview, first of all.
TLDR: the EPA can't mandate that cars be phones and even if they did the resultant backlash would kill it before anyone built a single one of these monstrosities and even if that didn't happen the used market would boom, the new market would tank, causing the companies to give up, fight the epa, and then we'd get cars that aren't phones again.
I am really starting to think you are the last lone Radio Shack worker that tells everyone how they are fighting the government in their off hours.
Nobody said it requires an internet connection 24/7. Hell, this could probably be done via satellite signals kinda how my Sirius updates from time to time.
But let us look at your questions in order.
1. It could be reset each time a connection is made.
2. As I said earlier, this could be done via satellite.
3. I don’t care too much about requirements on my work or family vehicles. It will s only performance vehicles that it would bother me.
4. Yes, people are buying enough into having a device in their car that monitors their driving to get cheaper insurance rates. You are a fool if you don’t think this would somehow be tied in.
5. Again, satellite
6. Hardly any
7. Some will, this driving up prices and ensuring people that don’t care buy new cars.
8. If this happens I could see end user fines, loss of registration of the vehicle, even loss of license privileges depending on how far they want to go.
9. They probably have smart enough people working on this. I’d imagine it is already on the table.
Do you think Ford wanted to go to emissions on their diesels that cook the heads and cause millions of dollars in warranty work? Yet the EPA told them to jump and they asked, “how high?”
The EPA can mandate it under the guise of ensure emissions equipment is not being tampered with.
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Compare the level of control and oversight that the fed gov’t had over it’s people 100 yrs ago. Now compare it to the control they possess today. The rate of change is only accelerating. Imagine what the next 25yrs will bring.
If you don’t believe controls like this couldn’t be easily implemented under the right political environment in the future, good luck to you.
Hell, with every single OEM making a hard turn towards electrification and AV operation, this may all end up a very moot point as it pertains to vehicle emissions. Can’t wait for the day when we no longer talk about adding more timing, more boost, etc., and instead talk bout getting more juice out of our batteries and overdriving the electrical motors
If you don’t believe controls like this couldn’t be easily implemented under the right political environment in the future, good luck to you.
Hell, with every single OEM making a hard turn towards electrification and AV operation, this may all end up a very moot point as it pertains to vehicle emissions. Can’t wait for the day when we no longer talk about adding more timing, more boost, etc., and instead talk bout getting more juice out of our batteries and overdriving the electrical motors
Do you behave like this at work? Tell everyone else what you think is right, then shout them down if they disagree? I find it comical how you think there's only ONE way it could every be implemented, as if no one else knows anything about IT. You also think John Q. Public will only react ONE way. It's like you can see the future, and predict what's going to happen. Why don't you tell us the next powerball numbers while you're at it?
Nobody will engage in this conversation with you because it's actually NOT a conversation. It's you pontificating on the subject, then telling everyone else their thoughts are wrong because you're "an expert".
I see you ignore my work for this.
It is ok, we all know you are wrong. Enjoy your day at Radio Shack Walker.
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I work with professionals that understand software development, business requirements, dependencies, and salability so if I bring up an issue with them about an idea we talk it through.
unlike in this scenario where you guys are basically like "hey man, its software, it can happen".
okay then please tell me how to implement these requirements in such a way as to guarantee a user who does not have an internet connection will not be stranded.
1. I want the vehicle to require an update from the manufacturer by a preset date
2. if the update is not made I want the vehicle to be disabled until the update can be made
3. once the update is made the preset date will be extended to a new preset date
you haven't thought passed the thing not establishing a connection which is the linchpin of this entire feature working.
why should i respond to the rest of your answers when you've basically said "oh it doesn't matter".
tell that to the guy in the middle of colorado who can't start his truck and freezes to death in the winter.
So you ignored what I posted. Got it, keep your head in the sand. Lol
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in what world is responding with a followup question not a response?
not sure what posting a picture of yourself adds to the discussion but okay.
enjoy your dunning-kruger.
Face it Walker, you are not as smart as you think you are.
https://streetfightmag.com/2019/08...ll-revolutionize-audio-industry/#.XiNdpiRMGEc
And again, this doesn’t even touch on the possibility of satellite data.
But keep you head in the sand our resident ostrich.
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look, having a satelite radio is not the same thing as making your car inoperable if the satelite radio doesn't work.
you can't possibly be stupid enough to think that is the same thing.
I kept thinking that you cannot be this obtuse. I realize I was wrong in that thinking, you really are.
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says the layman to the professional who is pointing out the myriad of ways their proposed idea can't actually survive in the real world.
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