EPA to Start Aggressively Enforcing Emission Defeat Devices

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says the layman to the professional who is pointing out the myriad of ways their proposed idea can't actually survive in the real world.

You may work in the field but I would not claim to be a professional if I were you, MaOstrich.

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You may work in the field but I would not claim to be a professional if I were you, MaOstrich.

well, Mr. Kruger, I am at least thankful for this opportunity to be reminded of just how difficult it is to see a product from concept to market.

sometimes I forget how hard my job is and then I'm blessed with the glorious opportunity of trying to explain a very simple thing to someone who struggles to understand the first thing about product development, let alone software development.
 

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well, Mr. Kruger, I am at least thankful for this opportunity to be reminded of just how difficult it is to see a product from concept to market.

sometimes I forget how hard my job is and then I'm blessed with the glorious opportunity of trying to explain a very simple thing to someone who struggles to understand the first thing about product development, let alone software development.

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Thankfully you do not have many customers at Radio Shack MaOstrich.



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Practically every modern vehicle has a nav and so is connected to a satellite. It would be simple enough to connect all of the modules in the car to the corporate office. While the vehicle wouldn't necessarily brick, it would put up a warning that no signal has been received and that an authorized repair facility must be visited within X amount of time. Once that time expires the vehicle would no longer run until reset by the dealer. Same logic as diesels going into derate when there is no DEF, or trucks that shut down when the driver has exceeded his work time.
If the EPA mandates it, the manufacturers will put it in. If every manufacturer does, the public will have no choice but to buy it.
 

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You could even do it in a more simple manner.

Most new vehicles have an oil life function reset in some way shape or form. Take the user ability from it and make it so a dealer tool has to hook up. At that point you reset a timer, well of sorts, but you go off oil change intervals. You just extend the “kill switch” out farther than the oil change cycle. Double it or triple it. I guarantee that it can be programmed so as to not cause risk of harm to driver or occupants as you can have the system disable the ignition switch after you have hit that mark. Car won’t die on the highway but won’t start after that interval.

Manufacturers want more control of repairs and maintenance. They can gain that through the EPA under the umbrella of wanting to ensure emissions stay compliant.

You take your “bricked” vehicle in with emissions mods and you get fined, loose vehicle registration, loose your license.

It doesn’t have to be satellite or WiFi communication driven.


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Practically every modern vehicle has a nav and so is connected to a satellite. It would be simple enough to connect all of the modules in the car to the corporate office. While the vehicle wouldn't necessarily brick, it would put up a warning that no signal has been received and that an authorized repair facility must be visited within X amount of time. Once that time expires the vehicle would no longer run until reset by the dealer. Same logic as diesels going into derate when there is no DEF, or trucks that shut down when the driver has exceeded his work time.
If the EPA mandates it, the manufacturers will put it in. If every manufacturer does, the public will have no choice but to buy it.

What does the guy in the middle of nowhere with no access to a dealer do when the timer expires?

That's also not the same as a commercial vehicle being forced to not haul for a few hours because they have been driving too long or something being wrong and the ECU requiring a reset or something.

These guys are talking about a dead man's switch for the ECU that requires a connection to keep the car alive.

this would be like apple or microsoft shutting down your computer if you don't get the latest updates or if it can't connect to the internet after a period of time.

here's how it would have to work: car pulls down updates if it has a connection.

therefore, if no connection, no problem.

therefore, tin foil stops your update problem if these dinosaurs are stupid enough to not make it optional.

until someone figures out a way to reflash the ecu and get rid of that bullshit.
which will happen. seriously, you could go full standalone ecu and bypass all this crazy talk.

guys all im saying is just chill out. we've been hacking crap since they started putting engines in cars. it'll be okay. you sound like the guys in the 90's when EFI replaced carbs in most vehicles.
 
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I work with professionals that understand software development, business requirements, dependencies, and salability so if I bring up an issue with them about an idea we talk it through.

What happens when a Diesel truck runs out of DEF or the regen system breaks?

Why would the industry commit suicide by putting unreliable and expensive garbage like that in their products?


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What happens when a Diesel truck runs out of DEF or the regen system breaks?

Why would the industry commit suicide by putting unreliable and expensive garbage like that in their products?


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It goes into limp mode until it can do another regen.
 

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What happens when a Diesel truck runs out of DEF or the regen system breaks?

Why would the industry commit suicide by putting unreliable and expensive garbage like that in their products?


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MaOstrich ignored it when I pointed out the emissions issues with diesels.

It goes into limp mode until it can do another regen.

I think you missed the point. MaOstrich claims that companies won’t do thing s the customers don’t want or things to hurt their product because the EPA wants them to. Well, the diesel emissions prove that he is wrong, yet again.


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