The 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 with 760 horsepower faces off against the 650-hp Chevrolet Camaro

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The GT500's as-tested price of $94,665 is nearly $19,000 more than the Camaro. The base price is $73,995, but our Velocity Blue test car was equipped with the $18,500 Carbon Fiber Track Package, which includes 20-inch carbon-fiber wheels, Michelin Sport Cup 2 tires, adjustable carbon-fiber wing, leather-trimmed Recaro seats, and adjustable front strut top mounts for aggressive camber settings. Don't bring the kids; the package also deletes the Mustang's rear seat.Chevy's supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 is down 110 horsepower from the Ford, but its price is also considerably lower. The small-block has half as many valves activated by pushrods a single camshaft tucked into the block. The 6500-rpm redline and 650 horsepower don't quite light up the spec box like the GT500, but its 650 lb-ft of torque is superior, and it hits at a more accessible 3600 rpm.
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With nearly 200 pounds less mass and with a weight distribution closer to 50/50, the 2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE is just as quick as the Mustang despite making less horsepower. At the test track, it beats the GT500 to 60 mph by .2 second, 3.4 seconds versus 3.6. However, the Ford's rear tires eventually hook up, and its horsepower takes charge. It then outruns the Camaro to 100 mph by .3 second, and by 150 mph the gap is stretched to more than 4.0 seconds.

But these are muscle cars, and it's the quarter-mile that really matters. In that race, it's essentially a dead heat. A tire-smoking, fighting-for-traction dead heat, with the Mustang's 11.4-second run at 132 mph just besting the Camaro's time of 11.5 seconds at 124 mph.
Even with its 2.85:1 final drive ratio, the Camaro averaged a fuel economy of just 14 mpg, a single mile per gallon ahead of the Mustang, which has 3.73 gears. Its range, however, is far superior to the Shelby's. The Mustang's fuel tank is only 16 gallons, so it's sucked dry after only 200 miles of highway driving.

At the test track, the Camaro also outgripped and outstopped the Mustang, with a 1.17-g skidpad performance and stops from 70 mph in 137 feet and from 100 mph in 268 feet. The Mustang trailed but not by much. Its 1.13-g skidpad performance is impressive considering it carries 56.6 percent of its 4059 pounds over the front wheels. It stops from 70 mph in 142 feet and from 100 mph in 279 feet.Both the Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 and the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE live up to the hype. Either will put a big dumb smile on your face while shredding an expensive set of summer tires in the process. But these are sophisticated cars. Their ability to turn and stop are only surpassed by their unbridled power and tire-destroying skills. But we pick winners here, and the winner is the Camaro. It's biggest advantage is that it's simply a better value. There's a lot we love about the GT500—the ride quality, interior design, and its more sophisticated powertrain—but the more affordable ZL1 1LE manages to match or surpass the Shelby's performance while offering a much longer list of features. Spend the stack of money saved on gas and Goodyears. You're going to need them.
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But these are muscle cars, and it's the quarter-mile that really matters. In that race, it's essentially a dead heat. A tire-smoking, fighting-for-traction dead heat, with the Mustang's 11.4-second run at 132 mph just besting the Camaro's time of 11.5 seconds at 124 mp.
It then outruns the Camaro to 100 mph by .3 second, and by 150 mph the gap is stretched to more than 4.0 seconds.
By reading this I know these fools never even tested those cars , some keyboard warrior sitting in the office that has 0 experience with cars would wright something like that.
GT500 is .3 quicker to 100mph then it falls back after 100mph and it's only .1 at 1/4 while trapping 8mph more . Cars are within .1 sec when GT500 is at 132mph but out of nowhere it hits dual stage 500hp NOS and gains 3.9 seconds from 132mph to 150mph . Damn , that's embarrassing on the part of that fool who wrote that
 

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The op’s quoted article is from the car and driver article iirc.

Same day same drag race looks like this (from the edmunds video which is where they shared the footage/coverage with car and driver I think based on pictures looking like same cars)


That’s not 1/10th, that’s a nearly perfectly driven zl1 1le losing its ass to a gt500 driven averagely to well. That’s 3/4 to 1 second. Skip frame it from 4:17 to 4:18. The gt500 has crossed (off camera at like 4:17.85 and the zl1 and red eye are like 4:18.8 4:18.9

It’s honestly about a 1 second delta and your can see the zl1 leaves first and has the best 60ft followed by the demon. *edit redeye* (I wrote that above, was on autopilot here). The gt500 has the worst reaction and seemingly 60ft and I bet it’s because the launch control has that 1 sec delay crap.

Get a hot shoe in a gt500 that reacts quicker and knows to launch lower on shitty surface

Example: just because it can do 3400rpm doesn’t mean every drag should be from 3400. The Vegas event drag strip press test was seeing the cars set at 1400rpm and still had spin.
 
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I believe Car and Driver’s purpose was to focus on the handling, braking, etc.. Debating how a car with 110 more hp than another released 3yrs later is faster is borderline retarded.

I read that article a week or 2 ago and thought nothing of it. Anyone assuming the 500 would be slower in a straight line needs their head examined.
 

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I believe Car and Driver’s purpose was to focus on the handling, braking, etc.. Debating how a car with 110 more hp than another released 3yrs later is faster is borderline retarded.

I read that article a week or 2 ago and thought nothing of it. Anyone assuming the 500 would be slower in a straight line needs their head examined.
Pretty much.

Question is, is it $20k better?

But at the end of the day, it doesn't mater, they'll sell them all because the guys dropping the coin just want a top-dog race inspired Mustang with the Shelby logo.

Ford loaded it up with all the gimmicks and the clientele are sucking it down.
 

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By reading this I know these fools never even tested those cars , some keyboard warrior sitting in the office that has 0 experience with cars would wright something like that.
GT500 is .3 quicker to 100mph then it falls back after 100mph and it's only .1 at 1/4 while trapping 8mph more . Cars are within .1 sec when GT500 is at 132mph but out of nowhere it hits dual stage 500hp NOS and gains 3.9 seconds from 132mph to 150mph . Damn , that's embarrassing on the part of that fool who wrote that

By reading your comment I can tell you’re a brand loyal moron who doesn’t have the common sense to know when his reading comprehension and math has failed him. 0-60 is .2s in favor the Z, 500 then pulls heavily and overtakes the Z by being .3s faster to 100 making it a net gain of .1s and then proceeds to freight train to 150.

Admit it for what it is, the HP clearly took over but you’re pissed because they didn’t choose YOUR favored car. They explained their reason, and for 20k and having less doodads I can understand why.
 

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Sign me up for either car. Both are incredible and I'd be happy to drive either one, although the GT500 is just out of my price range with the current ADM.
 

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Using E.T. to extrapolate acceleration times is not the same as measuring pure acceleration times. The numbers will never exactly work out.

Trap speed is not absolute. It is an average over a set distance at the end of the 1/4, which I believe is 66ft. And it has already been said...acceleration is not linear.
 
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Kinda of off topic, but I still have NO idea why the 6th gen camaro ZL1 is so underrated. Both in sales and public opinion. Every chevy dealer I have been to for the last few years, ALWAYS has one in the show room marked down to the bottom of the barrel and cant move them. They are one of the only cars in this class that ever really gets rebated heavily. My buddy who is a sales manager at a local chevy store, says they stopped ordering them last year because they are impossible to sell. They sit for months into the next model year, and end up selling to other dealers or being traded out to another dealer in exchange for a normal car or truck to make a deal.

And its not like they are overpriced. They are the cheapest car in this class that offers both street and track performance of this caliber. Hell the standard ZL1 can be had brand new well into the $50k range with discounts, and the GT500 will be in the $90k for the foreseeable future. HOW?? What makes this car so undesirable. Among the camaro LT and SS owners, its god-like. But everyone else sees it as a misfit. Any thoughts on this??? They are super awesome btw. I have driven a 10 speed 6th gen ZL1 extensively, and its about the most badass sports car on the planet. Its a Corvette Z06 with back seats for half the price.
 

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Kinda of off topic, but I still have NO idea why the 6th gen camaro ZL1 is so underrated. Both in sales and public opinion. Every chevy dealer I have been to for the last few years, ALWAYS has one in the show room marked down to the bottom of the barrel and cant move them. They are one of the only cars in this class that ever really gets rebated heavily. My buddy who is a sales manager at a local chevy store, says they stopped ordering them last year because they are impossible to sell. They sit for months into the next model year, and end up selling to other dealers or being traded out to another dealer in exchange for a normal car or truck to make a deal.

And its not like they are overpriced. They are the cheapest car in this class that offers both street and track performance of this caliber. Hell the standard ZL1 can be had brand new well into the $50k range with discounts, and the GT500 will be in the $90k for the foreseeable future. HOW?? What makes this car so undesirable. Among the camaro LT and SS owners, its god-like. But everyone else sees it as a misfit. Any thoughts on this??? They are super awesome btw. I have driven a 10 speed 6th gen ZL1 extensively, and its about the most badass sports car on the planet. Its a Corvette Z06 with back seats for half the price.



I would say that the corvette being only a small amount more has an affect on how well they sell. Even the newer base model corvettes are still pretty well equipped.
 

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I would say that the corvette being only a small amount more has an affect on how well they sell. Even the newer base model corvettes are still pretty well equipped.
I guess I could agree to an extent. But there still is a price to performance gap there. You could get a loaded ZL1 or a BASE BASE C7. And now C8. But before the C8, this has stretched well back into the 5th gen ZL1 days. Those were a bit of a slug on performance though. The prices didnt line up with what you were getting vs similar year GT500s. I saw that and it made sense. But these 6th gen cars are sick. They look ultra modern, are powerhouses on the track and street and they can be made ultra fast for pennies on the dollar compared to anything else on the market. If you cant tell, I really want one...
 

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Kinda of off topic, but I still have NO idea why the 6th gen camaro ZL1 is so underrated. Both in sales and public opinion. Every chevy dealer I have been to for the last few years, ALWAYS has one in the show room marked down to the bottom of the barrel and cant move them. They are one of the only cars in this class that ever really gets rebated heavily. My buddy who is a sales manager at a local chevy store, says they stopped ordering them last year because they are impossible to sell. They sit for months into the next model year, and end up selling to other dealers or being traded out to another dealer in exchange for a normal car or truck to make a deal.

And its not like they are overpriced. They are the cheapest car in this class that offers both street and track performance of this caliber. Hell the standard ZL1 can be had brand new well into the $50k range with discounts, and the GT500 will be in the $90k for the foreseeable future. HOW?? What makes this car so undesirable. Among the camaro LT and SS owners, its god-like. But everyone else sees it as a misfit. Any thoughts on this??? They are super awesome btw. I have driven a 10 speed 6th gen ZL1 extensively, and its about the most badass sports car on the planet. Its a Corvette Z06 with back seats for half the price.
Have you ever set in one ? plus 1le has such harsh suspension . It's like being inside the coffin with JD tractor suspension. I'd take C7Z or Red eye over ZL1 any day .
 

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Kinda of off topic, but I still have NO idea why the 6th gen camaro ZL1 is so underrated. Both in sales and public opinion. Every chevy dealer I have been to for the last few years, ALWAYS has one in the show room marked down to the bottom of the barrel and cant move them. They are one of the only cars in this class that ever really gets rebated heavily. My buddy who is a sales manager at a local chevy store, says they stopped ordering them last year because they are impossible to sell. They sit for months into the next model year, and end up selling to other dealers or being traded out to another dealer in exchange for a normal car or truck to make a deal.

And its not like they are overpriced. They are the cheapest car in this class that offers both street and track performance of this caliber. Hell the standard ZL1 can be had brand new well into the $50k range with discounts, and the GT500 will be in the $90k for the foreseeable future. HOW?? What makes this car so undesirable. Among the camaro LT and SS owners, its god-like. But everyone else sees it as a misfit. Any thoughts on this??? They are super awesome btw. I have driven a 10 speed 6th gen ZL1 extensively, and its about the most badass sports car on the planet. Its a Corvette Z06 with back seats for half the price.
Have you driven one?

Visibility aside (which is a big one for many), there are quite a few problems with how it feels to be in them. Ergonomics aren't great, if you want to make a right turn and then a left turn, you have to do some funky stuff with your elbow to get it out of the way of the center console unless you sit further back to straighten your arm.

It's a nice chassis though and they do have options for the track guys (like decent camber adjustment).
 

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ZL1 1LE is definitely the best bang for the buck.

Great car there.


Ergonomics, nor visibility are a problem. Takes about a week to get used to it. Adapt and overcome, kinda like driving a Gallardo.

Suspension is fantastic if you are an enthusiast, not so much if you are not or you are brittle.
 

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Did either of you even bother to read the whole post?

My bad, I somehow missed that.

ZL1 1LE is definitely the best bang for the buck.

Great car there.


Ergonomics, nor visibility are a problem. Takes about a week to get used to it. Adapt and overcome, kinda like driving a Gallardo.

Suspension is fantastic if you are an enthusiast, not so much if you are not or you are brittle.

It's hard to sell these things on a "you'll get used to it" if someone is cross shopping the Mustang or Challenger and they are immediately more comfortable in the others. Not to mention, it's impossible to push past 8/10s on the street where they come into their own. They feel good at 4-5/10s, but so does pretty much anything performance oriented.

It's a hard spot for that car. Youre right about the enthusiast part, but there are only so many Chevy guys to go around. There aren't significant enthusiast sales to steal from other camps and also try to share with the Corvette.
 

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