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This thread is an interesting read. I am enjoying it.

My best car bud is (was) a local cop, then he worked in narcotics with DEA (this organization should be disbanded IMHO) and finally he made Detective. He's one of the finest human beings on the planet IMHO. He was tough as nails when necessary, but otherwise treated civilians with respect and NEVER busted anyone's chops.

When he was duty cop, he took me on many ride alongs, station tours, etc, etc, I got to know a lot of the cops. I wish I could say they were all like my bud, but vast majority of cops that I met seemed to have "us versus them" attitude towards the general population. They viewed civilians as some form of 'enemy'.

I'd truly like to see some laws and regulations reduced or eliminated, maybe that would help both cops & civilians. As with most things in life, there's no easy answer.
 

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I'd truly like to see some laws and regulations reduced or eliminated, maybe that would help both cops & civilians. As with most things in life, there's no easy answer.

the answer is easy. its the implementation that gets problematic. the problem is what obviously needs to happen is hindered by huge machines of government and unions (smaller governments/mobs). then you have white knight retards who think that scaling back what cops can do is a push towards anarchy.
 
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What laws would you enforce if you were a cop and could pick and choose?




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Im not a cop and dont need to pick and choose. Thats not what this is about. Im all for a police officer weighing the situation and using their expertise to determine the severity of the "crime". Pulling someone over for going under 5mph over the speed limit is petty and an ego trip. Im sure there are police officers out there that are 100% by the book. If they are that way 100% of the time great. thats fine. Speeding is speeding. But dont let one person go by at 4 over and then nail someone on another day at 3 over because are having a bad day. Then be seen later on going 10mph over because you wanted to get home sooner. The hypocracy is what is not needed. Keep right except to pass. its simple. its posted on most highways.
 

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Montana had HALF the traffic fatalities before their speed limits in the context of the data.
they added the limits and the next year they had the same numbers as everyone else
so the repealed them
deaths went back down
so some asshole added them back
deaths went back up

it doesn't get more cut and dry than this.

It’s not always cut and dry. There are usually other factors. Your article didn’t show any of that info. And not saying that it couldn’t be that simple.

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It’s not always cut and dry. There are usually other factors. Your article didn’t show any of that info. And not saying that it couldn’t be that simple.

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incorrect. the FACTS are cut and dry. the facts I stated are obvious. the argument from ignorance of "well we don't know exactly why..." is just a fallacious attempt to detract from the things we KNOW:

1. montana had half the deaths of national average
2. montana implements these speed limits
3. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average
4. montana repeals these speed limits
5. montana's death rate DROPS to half the national average
6. montana re-implements these speed limits
7. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average

this raises obvious questions of WHY which psychology and sociology have viable answers for.

the entire situation makes sense and yet the argument i often hear in response is "well there are usually other factors" which misses the point entirely. what makes this situation unique is it was an accidental controlled study (as much as anything can be controlled) that provided substantial evidence that speed limits kill.
 

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This thread is an interesting read. I am enjoying it.

My best car bud is (was) a local cop, then he worked in narcotics with DEA (this organization should be disbanded IMHO) and finally he made Detective. He's one of the finest human beings on the planet IMHO. He was tough as nails when necessary, but otherwise treated civilians with respect and NEVER busted anyone's chops.

When he was duty cop, he took me on many ride alongs, station tours, etc, etc, I got to know a lot of the cops. I wish I could say they were all like my bud, but vast majority of cops that I met seemed to have "us versus them" attitude towards the general population. They viewed civilians as some form of 'enemy'.

I'd truly like to see some laws and regulations reduced or eliminated, maybe that would help both cops & civilians. As with most things in life, there's no easy answer.

Truth.

One of my best car buddies is also a cop and is exactly as you describe with the "us vs them" attitude. This guy constantly drives 80 mph in a 45 mph OFF DUTY and doesn't follow any traffic laws ever. Ive been on ride alongs with him and he is downright dangerous on duty.

He is a piece of work! We dont hang out much anymore............probably a good thing.
 

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Truth.

One of my best car buddies is also a cop and is exactly as you describe with the "us vs them" attitude. This guy constantly drives 80 mph in a 45 mph OFF DUTY and doesn't follow any traffic laws ever. Ive been on ride alongs with him and he is downright dangerous on duty.

He is a piece of work! We dont hang out much anymore............probably a good thing.

One fascinating fact about my cop bud is that he really doesn't like other cops very much, LOL! He despises that "us vs them" attitude. I keep telling him he should be a cop trainer and teach interpersonal skills to other cops for dealing with the public.

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incorrect. the FACTS are cut and dry. the facts I stated are obvious. the argument from ignorance of "well we don't know exactly why..." is just a fallacious attempt to detract from the things we KNOW:

1. montana had half the deaths of national average
2. montana implements these speed limits
3. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average
4. montana repeals these speed limits
5. montana's death rate DROPS to half the national average
6. montana re-implements these speed limits
7. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average

this raises obvious questions of WHY which psychology and sociology have viable answers for.

the entire situation makes sense and yet the argument i often hear in response is "well there are usually other factors" which misses the point entirely. what makes this situation unique is it was an accidental controlled study (as much as anything can be controlled) that provided substantial evidence that speed limits kill.

If we didn’t ask questions and think about other factors we’d all think that dropping in a K&N filter into our stock fox just gave us 15 hp. I wanted more information from on the subject and hoped that, since you provided the article, you had more information on it. Instead, you told me to google it and regurgitated. I googled it and found a study during that same time, for the same state that listed those factors. Again, it could be that simple, but I’m going to ask question before I buy what someone is selling.


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incorrect. the FACTS are cut and dry. the facts I stated are obvious. the argument from ignorance of "well we don't know exactly why..." is just a fallacious attempt to detract from the things we KNOW:

1. montana had half the deaths of national average
2. montana implements these speed limits
3. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average
4. montana repeals these speed limits
5. montana's death rate DROPS to half the national average
6. montana re-implements these speed limits
7. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average

this raises obvious questions of WHY which psychology and sociology have viable answers for.

the entire situation makes sense and yet the argument i often hear in response is "well there are usually other factors" which misses the point entirely. what makes this situation unique is it was an accidental controlled study (as much as anything can be controlled) that provided substantial evidence that speed limits kill.

If we didn’t ask questions and think about other factors we’d all think that dropping in a K&N filter into our stock fox just gave us 15 hp. I wanted more information from on the subject and hoped that, since you provided the article, you had more information on it. Instead, you told me to google it and regurgitated. I googled it and found a study during that same time, for the same state that listed those factors. Again, it could be that simple, but I’m going to ask question before I buy what someone is selling.


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If we didn’t ask questions and think about other factors we’d all think that dropping in a K&N filter into our stock fox just gave us 15 hp. I wanted more information from on the subject and hoped that, since you provided the article, you had more information on it. Instead, you told me to google it and regurgitated. I googled it and found a study during that same time, for the same state that listed those factors. Again, it could be that simple, but I’m going to ask question before I buy what someone is selling.

one parameter being changed, producing a different result, and repeated reliably all while being compared to the national average sinks that battleship.
 

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one parameter being changed, producing a different result, and repeated reliably all while being compared to the national average sinks that battleship.

Hey man he is just asking questions. You should be happy he is because it gives you an opportunity to expand on your viewpoint. Asking questions about something you presented is not an attack against you or even your argument.

Even though I agree with your assessment that speed limits can do more bad than good, it is perfectly logical to question whether the study you presented truly ruled out any other cause that could effect deaths from car accidents. You claim there was a singular data point changed but seemed to get offended when pressed on that point. If there truly was only one data point changed and that being speed limits, then great. It proves that point. However, if it is possible other factors changed during that same time period, then it is possible something else contributed to lowering the death rate.

All that said, this is getting pretty far from the original topic of a police officer having an ego trip (allegedly).
 

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Hey man he is just asking questions. You should be happy he is because it gives you an opportunity to expand on your viewpoint. Asking questions about something you presented is not an attack against you or even your argument.

what about my last response is anything but a clarification?
 

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One fascinating fact about my cop bud is that he really doesn't like other cops very much, LOL! He despises that "us vs them" attitude. I keep telling him he should be a cop trainer and teach interpersonal skills to other cops for dealing with the public.

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my best friend is a cop also and he tells me he's afraid of cops he doesn't know. he's one of the most down to earth and lenient LEO's I've met who also happens to be an FTO
 

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Still waiting for the numbers breakdown i.e total trip route in miles, total percentage of interrupted averages to trip time from point A to B.

No need to make a chart, but it looks like OP made the wrong decision, and the 2 mph pass wasn't worth it for total ETA gain.
 

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I pass cops all the time on the freeway unless they are going 65 or 70 and in that case I just pace with them while keeping a little distance. Around here I have noticed that most of the cops are pretty chill about speeds as long as they are reasonable. Lately I have passed cops parked on the side of freeway doing 10 or 12 over and they just let you go. They are hitting the drivers doing 20+ over from what I have seen.

I wouldn't stare at the cop as I drove by though because you are just asking for attention from them at that point. They're wondering why you're mean-mugging them and you just gave them a reason to stop you and find out. A cop doing the speed limit in the left lane holding up traffic is bullshit though. Nothing pisses me off more than someone not adhering to the left lane rules and just cruising down the left without moving for people to pass. Imo it is a major cause of traffic and can lead to road rage incidents as I have seen cars from behind come around and purposely cut off the offending vehicle because they wouldn't move over. I'll flash my lights at the drivers so they can get a hint that I want them to move and I have seen people get pissed off and try to retaliate for just doing that.
 

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You challenged him, he didn't like it, simple as that. In no way should you have gotten pulled over. We aren't babies.

In general speed limits are stupid as shit. People self regulate and go as fast as they feel comfortable going. I rarely look at the speed limit, I also don't speed and do dangerous shit.

Why haven't speed limits been raised? Cars are safer, faster, and brake better. People would probably pay more attention if it was higher in some areas. I know I'm not going to be texting when going 90.

The only tickets should be for people being obviously dangerous.
 

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incorrect. the FACTS are cut and dry. the facts I stated are obvious. the argument from ignorance of "well we don't know exactly why..." is just a fallacious attempt to detract from the things we KNOW:

1. montana had half the deaths of national average
2. montana implements these speed limits
3. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average
4. montana repeals these speed limits
5. montana's death rate DROPS to half the national average
6. montana re-implements these speed limits
7. montana's death rate GROWS to meet the national average

this raises obvious questions of WHY which psychology and sociology have viable answers for.

the entire situation makes sense and yet the argument i often hear in response is "well there are usually other factors" which misses the point entirely. what makes this situation unique is it was an accidental controlled study (as much as anything can be controlled) that provided substantial evidence that speed limits kill.

There is a well known concept in financial risk management that the perception of safety is inherently unsafe. This sounds complicated but is actually straightforward: when you think that you are safe you let your guard down and are not attentive to risk that you are unaware of. As such, the illusion of safety actually makes you less safe.

There are plenty of real world observations of this outside of financial markets, the most fascinating of which is football helmets. Despite the fact that football helmet technology has increased dramatically in recent years concussions have increased at a much greater rate. Why? Players hit with their head thinking that they are safe because of their helmet. But they are not and concussions and neck injuries have skyrocketed.

Freakonomics did a podcast on this a couple of years ago if you are interested
The Dangers of Safety (Ep. 1) - Freakonomics
 

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Truth.

One of my best car buddies is also a cop and is exactly as you describe with the "us vs them" attitude. This guy constantly drives 80 mph in a 45 mph OFF DUTY and doesn't follow any traffic laws ever. Ive been on ride alongs with him and he is downright dangerous on duty.

He is a piece of work! We dont hang out much anymore............probably a good thing.

a year ago a cop in western mass was responding to a call, not an emergency, report of an erratic but slow driver.

he the cop does almost 90 mph on his way to the call in a 30 mph zone and t bones an innocent driver, killing him instantly.

cop was charged with vehicular homicide, fired from the force, and found guilty in court.

chief and state police said reasonable speed for that call would have been 50 tops. Black box on the cruiser confirmed his speed of 90.
 

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a year ago a cop in western mass was responding to a call, not an emergency, report of an erratic but slow driver.

he the cop does almost 90 mph on his way to the call in a 30 mph zone and t bones an innocent driver, killing him instantly.

cop was charged with vehicular homicide, fired from the force, and found guilty in court.

chief and state police said reasonable speed for that call would have been 50 tops. Black box on the cruiser confirmed his speed of 90.

Not surprising... That could definitely be the guy i was describing earlier. Not good sir, not good!

Its good to know there was accountability for the guy doing 90 that killed someone... im afraid however, that is not often the case.
 

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