Calvo Viper VS ninja turtle

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I can imagine how much slower it would be with that unnecessary high torque numbers . Been proven many times , look up all the high TQ supercharged Huracan / R8s out there . They can't launch for shit because too much TQ down low.
Im guessing the guys at Underground racing would prove that wrong. Im pretty sure their Huracans are making more than 400 ft/lbs at launch
 

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Drag week? LMAO! (Tom Bailey towing a trailer with his pro mod doesnt count!)

Thought we were talking about street cars... guess the goal post moved.


Just making the point that no one is winning big dog races and driving around the country with little lawn mower engines. The big boys are racing big engines.
 

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Im guessing the guys at Underground racing would prove that wrong. Im pretty sure their Huracans are making more than 400 ft/lbs at launch
I'm pretty sure you watch too much crap on the internet , go out and do some racing /testing on your own. I have not seen a single launch by UGR car on the street besides prepped drag strip on drag radials .
 

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Oh I do plenty of racing, on the street and track and I know more torque is always better than less. Lots of vids of UGR's cars on streets and unprepped runways and they're getting it down just fine. A great tire is the key, not less torque. If your car made a lot more torque and you hooked it with a drag radial, you'd go faster, simple as that and you know it, cant argue otherwise. Im tired of stating the obvious but you believe whatever you want.
 

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Audible sigh. Just so you know I used to run RSI for about five minutes years ago. I know a thing or two about vipers and making them fast. What does any of that have to do with your apparent claim that a 8+ liter V10 can't make 3K+ hp?

i'll ask again: are you SERIOUSLY arguing that a 8+ liter V10 CAN'T make 3K hp?

because only a fool would suggest such absolute nonsense just like only a fool would conflate that with actually making that power AND doing it in a car to make it use all of it.

If I’m not mistaken there’s at least 2 vipers with claimed over 3000hp. I don’t think they’ve proven the claim, but I’d be surprised if that V10 isn’t capable of that number.
Carry on.


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Oh I do plenty of racing, on the street and track and I know more torque is always better than less. Lots of vids of UGR's cars on streets and unprepped runways and they're getting it down just fine. A great tire is the key, not less torque. If your car made a lot more torque and you hooked it with a drag radial, you'd go faster, simple as that and you know it, cant argue otherwise. Im tired of stating the obvious but you believe whatever you want.

Wrong.

It’s simple math/science. All other things equal, it is always he with more horsepower that wins, not torque.

Outright torque is meaningless.

It is tq over time (Aka horsepower) that you want.


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So the Viper guys with 3k whp just decided not to show up at Y2K this year? U sound like a little kid that plays video games in his moms basement. Maybe when u grow up u can afford to buy a fast car to.
He likes to argue, and is starting to get special attention.
 

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If I’m not mistaken there’s at least 2 vipers with claimed over 3000hp. I don’t think they’ve proven the claim, but I’d be surprised if that V10 isn’t capable of that number.
Carry on.

yeah, basically. at that level everything is so modified you're just arguing about displacement and number of cylinders which is just a math problem at that point.
 

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Wrong.

It’s simple math/science. All other things equal, it is always he with more horsepower that wins, not torque.

Outright torque is meaningless.

It is tq over time (Aka horsepower) that you want.


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Correct, bigger motors produce more Useable hp through the whole power band, that’s why a 1600hp viper walks a 1600hp gtr. A viper at 3k is probably making 900hp while the gtr is making 400. (For a rough example) It’s making more power at any given rpm.

I would be interested to see a de-stroked viper reving to 10k with some turbos though. It would still be 7+ liters probably. However the current 9.0 set ups are going to 8k so the loss of cubic inches might not be worth it.
 

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If I’m not mistaken there’s at least 2 vipers with claimed over 3000hp. I don’t think they’ve proven the claim, but I’d be surprised if that V10 isn’t capable of that number.
Carry on.

Sal Patel's Gen 2 is right up there and has been a record holder for years in different rwd classes.

Then "The General" by Calvo is apparently making a comeback with 3k+ hp.
 

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Correct, bigger motors produce more Useable hp through the whole power band, that’s why a 1600hp viper walks a 1600hp gtr. A viper at 3k is probably making 900hp while the gtr is making 400. (For a rough example) It’s making more power at any given rpm.

I would be interested to see a de-stroked viper reving to 10k with some turbos though. It would still be 7+ liters probably. However the current 9.0 set ups are going to 8k so the loss of cubic inches might not be worth it.

Nope. If both cars have the same HP, weigh the same, have similar traction, and similar gearing, they will both trap within a mph or 2 of each other even though the viper would have significantly more torque.

This is a very simple math problem that I schooled you on last time yet you refuse to listen.

Because torques bro!!!


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2 closely HP matched cars and the baby torque GTR pushes his shit in.

There are countless examples of this


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Nope. If both cars have the same HP, weigh the same, have similar traction, and similar gearing, they will both trap within a mph or 2 of each other even though the viper would have significantly more torque.

This is a very simple math problem that I schooled you on last time yet you refuse to listen.

Because torques bro!!!


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but we live in the real world where nothing is equal bruh. That’s why big blocks/big inch motors have been clappin cheeks for over 60 years.
 
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but we live in the real world where nothing is equal bruh. That’s why big blocks/big inch motors have been clappin cheeks for over 60 years.


True. But there are lots of examples proving the point with equal enough vehicles (video above).

Do you think a 3900 lb worked over diesel truck with 750whp/1500 wtq would stand a chance against a 900whp/760tq mustang?

The obvious answer is no.


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Those are 2 obviously different vehicles and different aerodynamic profiles. You take 2 mustangs, say one with a boosted coyote, 900 HP and whatever TQ it can put out and the other stang has a N/A built big block ford in it, like a Kaase power plant, similar HP levels but the BBF has more torque over a much broader area, it'll win. Its power under the curve.
Just for reference, a Kaase BBF can make 900-1000 HP all motor but its gonna make 900 ft/lbs of TQ. Both cars on slicks or DRs. That coyote is gonna get plowed. It was posted above that this thread has gone off track and it has. This should be about the Calvo viper and the GTR, not this sidebar, but I digress...
 
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True. But there are lots of examples proving the point with equal enough vehicles (video above).

Do you think a 3900 lb worked over diesel truck with 750whp/1500 wtq would stand a chance against a 900whp/760tq mustang?

The obvious answer is no.


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Not that I really want to get involved in this abortion but that was roll race with both cars being in the power band (upper RPM). HP is just a function of torque over RPM so yes two equal cars with equal HP, weight and equal blah blah getting on it in the power band will be "equal". Torque is really only noticeable and makes cars feel faster in the lower RPM range before the curves cross. I love the Torque vs HP argument when people don't realize one number drives the other. 5252 is a constant, rest is just multiply two numbers, pretty basic math. Not disagreeing just picked you to quote since you're the active one.
 

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Boost being equal, the bigger the displacement on one engine over the other is gonna equal more power/torque and less stress on components every time. Thats why you dont see offshore power boats running a ecoboost V6 in them. Its gonna be a big inch V8 making huge power, lower in the power band, and living longer.

exactly. smaller the motor, more stress and the life of the engine isn't that great. Nobody reads the fine lines or knows what that owner has to do to maintain a million hp evo lets say or civic. Thts why the internet creates lots of dreams.
 

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