I really want a Gen2 viper.

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I have a gen 2 GTS that I bought about 5 years ago, I also have an 03 Cobra. I had planned to get rid if the Cobra after buying the Viper, but money wasn't a problem so I kept it. I have headers and straight pipes, upgraded brakes, intake, ect... Exhaust and intake wake them up a lot.

Both cars are pretty raw and a lot of fun, the Viper is different though. It doesn't feel like a car as much as the Cobra, it isn't something you get used to. I can drive the Cobra for a couple hours and almost get lost in the cruising, the Viper never lets me forget that I am in a Viper. The seating is very low, the car is tight, the window wraps wide and low, the hood rises up in front of you... it is loud, aggressive and gets attention like a topless teen.
The Viper also feels a bit more correct and connected, it cuts around corners like a razor. The Cobra handles reasonably well too, but it doesnt have the same feel. The Cobra has a fun element to it though, I think it is easier to drive and a little more carefree. Honestly, I bought the Viper because I wanted a real performance car, something that was built from the ground up to be exactly what it is. The Viper is built on a frame with fiberglass panels, a V-10, mid front engine... there is nothing else, no base trim, just a Viper.

As far as reliability. It has been very good to me. Regular upkeep, no real maintenance. I replaced a battery, keep it on a tender because it will slowly drain... it takes 19 different bolts and screws to replace a battery in a Viper btw, it is behind a panel, behind the drivers rear wheel. You have to remove the wheel to remove the battery. I got a bunch of spare parts when I bought mine. Some stuff is easy to get, a few parts can be a pain and cost a bit more.

Overall, I say get a Viper now. The Viper price is stable, if not climbing. If you unload your 14 now, you can get a fair used price, and probably pick up another in 3-5 years for less money than you sold for... It wont be the same car you had, but it is a good chance to shop.
 

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The Gen 2 will be PAINFULLY slow compared to your 14, unless you are ready to sink some good money into it. They are cool AF tho.

Would not trade a 14 for it, unless I was going to mod the hell out of one.
My Cobra has more power but my Viper would kill it at legal speeds. The Viper just connects way better for me... anything over like 70mph though I would give it to the Cobra because it will just out power the Viper.

There is about 11 years between my Cobra and a 14 though, so it may not be the same for him. But 700hp doesnt mean much when you wiggle your ass all over the place trying to use it.
 

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What has you set on a Gen II? Just out of curiousity.

If you go that route, you'll want a Paxton car, or a turbo. Stock they're 400rwhp or so.

I love Vipers. They're just so different. With 30k being made in 25 years, you won't see them every where. Mine gets a ton of attention at every track day, and typically I'm one of two or three, or the only, Viper there.
 

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Very raw, rough, and crude would describe a Gen 2 Viper. All endearing terms of course. You'll feel very alive every time you get in one and start it up. The car is bipolar, and will bite your ass real fast if you don't respect it. Zero nannies to bail you out, and the earlier gen 2's don't even have ABS. Even approaching ~25 yrs old, still gets massive attention everywhere you go. Low build numbers. Still a pretty fast car in stock form, and can be made stupid fast just like more modern cars. 3400# and 8L is a good recipe for potential.

VERY different from a modern sports/muscle car. IMO, not something you'll want to drive around in all the time. All around use-ability will be far below your GT500. Mechanically very reliable. Tough-as-nails drivetrain. Can fix it with a hammer and duct tape. Fit & finish not the greatest.

Worth trading your car for one? That's a personal question that only you can answer.
VERY good advice here!!
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I’ll be odd man out and say a Viper has never really excited me. Not sure why.

No way in hell I’d sell your 14 500 for a 2nd gen.


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Agreed. I only like the Gen 2 and Gen V and wouldn’t sell a 13-14 GT500 for Gen 2. Add one yes, now for a Gen 5 yeah I would.


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I’ve never known what Generation of Viper is what, and probably couldn’t even tell you what the differences are aside from the years with the ugly front.

But that’s a forking good looking machine. I don’t think I’d sell my Shelby for one, but that shape could make a man think about doing some crazy things.
 

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A good buddy of mine has an '01 ACR and a '96 B&W and like others have said, there's nothing like a Viper in terms of looks. You will absolutely be fine with the power of a Gen 2 and while everyone says they're widow makers and hard to handle without traction control, they aren't bad. The interiors are very basic and that's probably the only downside. Parts availability isn't the best, but they are definitely very simple, easy cars to work on. Oil changes are a breeze and the reliability is great... just a regular ol' OHV V10.

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That ACR is sex on wheels, I really want a 99 ACR, or a 96/97 GTS.
2013 GT500, forever missed :(
That's exactly why I'm worried about ever selling this one. I took her out tonight and she still brings a smile to my face.
The first car I ever fell in love with at first sight was a blue/white stripe GTS, I still remember sitting in the back seat of my dads car staring at one stuck in traffic beside us, I must have been around 8 years old. 24 years later I still love the look of them. I will own one, whether or not my wife agrees lol
Yup, I still remember the old school viper commercials when I was a kid. I always said one day I'll get one.
I have a gen 2 GTS that I bought about 5 years ago, I also have an 03 Cobra. I had planned to get rid if the Cobra after buying the Viper, but money wasn't a problem so I kept it. I have headers and straight pipes, upgraded brakes, intake, ect... Exhaust and intake wake them up a lot.

Both cars are pretty raw and a lot of fun, the Viper is different though. It doesn't feel like a car as much as the Cobra, it isn't something you get used to. I can drive the Cobra for a couple hours and almost get lost in the cruising, the Viper never lets me forget that I am in a Viper. The seating is very low, the car is tight, the window wraps wide and low, the hood rises up in front of you... it is loud, aggressive and gets attention like a topless teen.
The Viper also feels a bit more correct and connected, it cuts around corners like a razor. The Cobra handles reasonably well too, but it doesnt have the same feel. The Cobra has a fun element to it though, I think it is easier to drive and a little more carefree. Honestly, I bought the Viper because I wanted a real performance car, something that was built from the ground up to be exactly what it is. The Viper is built on a frame with fiberglass panels, a V-10, mid front engine... there is nothing else, no base trim, just a Viper.

As far as reliability. It has been very good to me. Regular upkeep, no real maintenance. I replaced a battery, keep it on a tender because it will slowly drain... it takes 19 different bolts and screws to replace a battery in a Viper btw, it is behind a panel, behind the drivers rear wheel. You have to remove the wheel to remove the battery. I got a bunch of spare parts when I bought mine. Some stuff is easy to get, a few parts can be a pain and cost a bit more.

Overall, I say get a Viper now. The Viper price is stable, if not climbing. If you unload your 14 now, you can get a fair used price, and probably pick up another in 3-5 years for less money than you sold for... It wont be the same car you had, but it is a good chance to shop.
Everyone I talk to with a GTS pretty much says the same thing. They're a blast to drive and will get you more attention than you probably want lol.
What has you set on a Gen II? Just out of curiousity.

If you go that route, you'll want a Paxton car, or a turbo. Stock they're 400rwhp or so.

I love Vipers. They're just so different. With 30k being made in 25 years, you won't see them every where. Mine gets a ton of attention at every track day, and typically I'm one of two or three, or the only, Viper there.
I've always liked the look of Gen2 GTS over all the other generations. But I wouldn't mind a Gen4 ACR either lol.
Agreed. I only like the Gen 2 and Gen V and wouldn’t sell a 13-14 GT500 for Gen 2. Add one yes, now for a Gen 5 yeah I would.


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Gen5s are stupid ass expensive, and the more I've thought about it, I would rather have my GT500 and a Viper, than just a viper. Just going to take a little to save that much money for a clean Gen2.
A GTS with some True Forged or CCW wheels.... mmmmmm
Dude Gen2s on CCWs look amazing.
 

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Question for you guys that actually own or have owned a Viper.

What is you insurance like on these cars?
I can tell you if I got one I'd be doing collector car insurance like I have on my GT500. it's cheaper and you can pick how much you want your car to be valued at.
 

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I’ll be odd man out and say a Viper has never really excited me. Not sure why.

No way in hell I’d sell your 14 500 for a 2nd gen.


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I like Cobras and GT-500s a lot, but there is just something special about a Viper. I remember back around 2004 I was at a car cruise with Eddie ((Blades). We both had nicely modded ‘03 Cobras. Eddy got to talking with the owner of a Viper and was invited to take a ride. When he got back he had an ear to ear grin. As nice as his Cobra was, the Viper was like a holy Grail. It would be at the top of my list of special cars I’d love to own. Gen 5 GTS!

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Agreed. I only like the Gen 2 and Gen V and wouldn’t sell a 13-14 GT500 for Gen 2. Add one yes, now for a Gen 5 yeah I would.


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I like the gen 5’s. Can’t disagree there at all.

Problem is at that price range, A LOT of other cool shit comes into play.


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the 96-99 vipers had forged internals from the factory. theyll hold 900whp in the stock bottom end all day long. no abs.

96-97 cams had more overlap but less lift. 98-99 engines kept the overlap but added lift. 00+ reduced overlap but kept lift. 98-99 vipers are regarded as the fastest of the generation. those engines made just over 400rwhp and the later made just under.

the 00-02 engines used hypereutectic pistons and was good for around 750whp. slightly smaller cam from the factory. they dyno ever so slightly less than the early engines.

01-02 vipers finally got abs. welcome to the modern age, lol.

the rear brakes tend to overheat in very aggressive driving. apparently you can do a caliper swap or just upgrade the brake entirely. fixes it.
 

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I like Cobras and GT-500s a lot, but there is just something special about a Viper. I remember back around 2004 I was at a car cruise with Eddie ((Blades). We both had nicely modded ‘03 Cobras. Eddy got to talking with the owner of a Viper and was invited to take a ride. When he got back he had an ear to ear grin. As nice as his Cobra was, the Viper was like a holy Grail. It would be at the top of my list of special cars I’d love to own. Gen 5 GTS!

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Yup, there's something that will always be special about a viper. I got a ride in a Gen2 GTS a long time ago. But the guy drove it like a bitch so it wasn't really cool.
I like the gen 5’s. Can’t disagree there at all.

Problem is at that price range, A LOT of other cool shit comes into play.


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Exactly why I'll probably never get a 5th gen. If I'm going to spend 90k on a viper I'm getting a balls out ACR 4th gen or a 360 Ferrari lol.
the 96-99 vipers had forged internals from the factory. theyll hold 900whp in the stock bottom end all day long. no abs.

96-97 cams had more overlap but less lift. 98-99 engines kept the overlap but added lift. 00+ reduced overlap but kept lift. 98-99 vipers are regarded as the fastest of the generation. those engines made just over 400rwhp and the later made just under.

the 00-02 engines used hypereutectic pistons and was good for around 750whp. slightly smaller cam from the factory. they dyno ever so slightly less than the early engines.

01-02 vipers finally got abs. welcome to the modern age, lol.

the rear brakes tend to overheat in very aggressive driving. apparently you can do a caliper swap or just upgrade the brake entirely. fixes it.
The 96/97 Vipers are my favorite, especially in blue, but I would really like a 99 ACR. I will say a 96/97 viper with stright pipes sounds badass at idle.
 

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Yup, there's something that will always be special about a viper. I got a ride in a Gen2 GTS a long time ago. But the guy drove it like a bitch so it wasn't really cool.

Exactly why I'll probably never get a 5th gen. If I'm going to spend 90k on a viper I'm getting a balls out ACR 4th gen or a 360 Ferrari lol.

The 96/97 Vipers are my favorite, especially in blue, but I would really like a 99 ACR. I will say a 96/97 viper with stright pipes sounds badass at idle.

Meh, the ACR really only had basically an air filter and smooth tubes for the throttle bodies. That's where the 10hp came from. Besides that, the konis, oem 5pt harness, and bbs wheels set it apart from the GTS. If you change anything on an ACR, it's basically not an ACR anymore and the value is lost for it. A GTS would be a better buy, particularly the 98, since it has forged internals, the bigger cam, and still comes in blue that year. Some 99s got the non forged pistons and you can't tell unless you tear the engine apart.
 

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Meh, the ACR really only had basically an air filter and smooth tubes for the throttle bodies. That's where the 10hp came from. Besides that, the konis, oem 5pt harness, and bbs wheels set it apart from the GTS. If you change anything on an ACR, it's basically not an ACR anymore and the value is lost for it. A GTS would be a better buy, particularly the 98, since it has forged internals, the bigger cam, and still comes in blue that year. Some 99s got the non forged pistons and you can't tell unless you tear the engine apart.
I think the ACR had coilovers as well, But I'd be more than happy with a 96 to 98, There's a red 97 GTS I'm going to look at close to my house. I really want to drive one.
 

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I've had my Gen2 GTS for 4 years now.

It's an extremely reliable car even for it's age.

What you MUST do is:
Change powersteering pulley to aluminium one
Change powersteering bracket
Add a fuel hose to powersteering pump air vent hole so if it squirts, it doesn't squirt on the headers
Check the A-arms for hairline cracks

And every year you need to change oil.

That's about it.

It's the most reliable car I've ever had, it's tons of fun to drive and it's wonderful to just look at. It's one of the worlds most beautiful cars in my opinion, very few cars come close to it.
In my opinion I see no reality where a GT500 is more fun than a Viper.

Stock replacement parts are fairly cheap.
Performance parts will definetly make your pockets bleed.

And don't listen to others, they're easy to drive.
If you can handle your GT500 at WOT you'll think a Viper is a childs play. They're not difficult in any way in comparision to a Mustang. I've not driven a GT500 but a whippled Terminator and that is a handful to say the least, the Viper is way easier than that.
 
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