The Minneapolis Police Choke an Unarmed Handcuffed Black Man to Death

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We can take it even further and look at underlying rates of criminality. As far as I am aware, all the data shows that there is no statistically relevant difference between races in rates of criminality. But minorities are all statistically more likely to have police encounters, and all the rest flows from there.

As for the race of the officers, its relevant to a degree, but this is where institutionalization comes into play. Police policy and procedure has revolved around use of force for decades, rather than deescalation. For example, IIRC, STL area police academy devotes 120 hours to firearm training and only like 8 to deescalation. When shit hits the fan, people default to instinct, habit, and training, which for police is overwhelmingly force related. So the race of the officer is relevant, but not conclusive. If a black officer encounters a black man going through a mental health crisis, but has never been fully trained on how to non-violently handle a person in a mental crisis, whats going to happen? They fall back on what they have been trained to do.

The emphasis on use of force is because indecisiveness in its utilization is what gets cops killed. It's not hard to find videos online where an officer hesitated and it cost him his life.

And I'd have to see the statistics myself that there is no difference between race on criminal offenses. I suspect there is a difference; but the true discussion is the underlying cause.
 

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so destroying the private property of small business owners = Boston tea party...lmfao false equivalence.. for the record the sons of Liberty only destroyed the tea, they did not loot or burn the ships. These mfers are destroying a city and it’s businesses. Guess what, the businesses aren’t coming back, they along with jobs are gone forever in these for these communities. The large retailers have no incentive to rebuild there and the small business owner is ruined.

FWIW Black business owners are being hurt by this too..this guy had his pub/bar destroyed by looters.

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so destroying the private property of small business owners = Boston tea party...lmfao false equivalence.. for the record the sons of Liberty only destroyed the tea, they did not loot or burn the ships. These mfers are destroying a city and it’s businesses. Guess what, the businesses aren’t coming back, they along with jobs are gone forever in these for these communities. The large retailers have no incentive to rebuild there and the small business owner is ruined.

FWIW Black business owners are being hurt by this too..this guy had his pub/bar destroyed by looters.

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Willful ignorance is bad.

And before you ask, NO, i am not explaining shit to anyone. People that don't get it at this point don't want too, so I won't waste the time.
 

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I am genuinely interested in your opinion. I have seen some wild ass opinions on FB. I get what the meme is trying to say, but it falls short in my opinion on justifying the looting/rioting.

The majority of people are outraged by this murder. But then a large majority of America is appalled by the looting/rioting. Would it not be better to come together to "fight" this injustice?
 

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We can take it even further and look at underlying rates of criminality. As far as I am aware, all the data shows that there is no statistically relevant difference between races in rates of criminality. But minorities are all statistically more likely to have police encounters, and all the rest flows from there.

That's a flat out lie.

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If that was even remotely true then homicides should be a mirror image of diversity percentages.
 

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Willful ignorance is bad.

And before you ask, NO, i am not explaining shit to anyone. People that don't get it at this point don't want too, so I won't waste the time.


because you are incapable of rationally explaining your position on why looting and burning a city to the ground is justified.....

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That's a flat out lie.

If that was even remotely true then homicides should be a mirror image of diversity percentages.

Not a flat out lie. Im talking about total rates of criminal acts per capita. You found the UCR so you can go ahead and look at the arrest statistics and see that while minorities are over-represented by arrests per capita, the rates are not that far off from population distribution. And again that is just looking at arrests, which over represents repeat offenders and takes no account for people who get "the benefit of the doubt" and are not arrested for an offense.
 

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Willful ignorance is bad.

And before you ask, NO, i am not explaining shit to anyone. People that don't get it at this point don't want too, so I won't waste the time.

at this point? im sorry I can't hear you over the sound of countless black people being adored living in lavish prosperity because america loves them.
i'm so sick of this race-urbating bullshit.
 

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Willful ignorance is bad.

And before you ask, NO, i am not explaining shit to anyone. People that don't get it at this point don't want too, so I won't waste the time.

Speaking for myself, its not that I don't want to know, I would love to know and understand what kind of brain thinks destroying the property of someone who never did anything but try and provide for themselves and their families is an acceptable form of protesting.
 

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I am genuinely interested in your opinion. I have seen some wild ass opinions on FB. I get what the meme is trying to say, but it falls short in my opinion on justifying the looting/rioting.

The majority of people are outraged by this murder. But then a large majority of America is appalled by the looting/rioting. Would it not be better to come together to "fight" this injustice?

Thing is I don't need to justify it, I'm not the one doing it. I just understand and can see the deeper issue here. There was a simple solution to avoid all this yet that city is dragging their feet arresting the officer(s) involved in this incident. Like Tezz said the culture of Law enforcement is a problem. Dude was wanted for counterfeit money or writing a bad check. The level of force used doesn't fit the accused crime. They're steady releasing body cam footage that only raises more questions as to why this level of force was used.

Would I Riot or Loot? Nope. Do i understand why it's happening, YEP. I'm sure all those businesses had insurance and will be ok.
 

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I get being upset at the violence, and I am not trying to condone it at all. But we should all try to empathize with sort of experience that would lead someone to decide "**** it, im going to burn down a police station." Because yea, that is an extreme act. No two ways about it. So be upset about it, but also just try to think about how bad things would have to get for you to decide to do something like that. Im guessing most of us cant imagine things ever getting that bad, and yet those people's life experiences got them to the point where they felt that that was appropriate to do. Its fine to be upset about them burning buildings, but we should also be upset about the conditions that led all those people to feel like they didnt have any other recourse.
 

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Not a flat out lie. Im talking about total rates of criminal acts per capita. You found the UCR so you can go ahead and look at the arrest statistics and see that while minorities are over-represented by arrests per capita, the rates are not that far off from population distribution. And again that is just looking at arrests, which over represents repeat offenders and takes no account for people who get "the benefit of the doubt" and are not arrested for an offense.

I've been saying this for a while. People will believe what they want though. 1 black dude arrested 5 times the same year counts as 5 different arrest for black males. Make that make sense lol.

Speaking for myself, its not that I don't want to know, I would love to know and understand what kind of brain thinks destroying the property of someone who never did anything but try and provide for themselves and their families is an acceptable form of protesting.

Those people see no other way to get the governments attention imo, so this is the result. What have the peaceful protest changed? Not saying rioting and looting will change anything either but it sure has gotten the local governments attention. Many here seems to think black people want criminals to go free. That couldn't be further from the truth. Black people just want the punishment to fit the crime, or in this case the use of force to fit the crime. They have this dude pinned to the ground for supposedly using counterfeit money and all he footage released so far does not support that level of force, so if they're holding a trump card they need to play it to calm the people down.

I'm going to bow out of the thread tho cause it's the same discussion every time.
 

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