Whipple 2.9 Gen 2 vs. Gen 4 Dyno results

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The intent of this thread is to share my experience with upgrading from a Whipple 2.9 Gen 2 Supercharger to a Gen 4, with no other changes except a tune revision to compensate for the additional boost produced by the Gen 4. I used the same Tuner, Dynamometer, 3.00” upper pulley, and safe 93 octane tuning strategy.

Here is my basic combination:
Whipple 2.9 Gen 4 with 3.00” pulley
123mm Ford Racing/Whipple CAI
Cobra Jet Twin 65MM throttle body
ID1000 Fuel Injectors
Stock Fuel Pumps
NGK TR6 Spark Plugs gapped at .028
180* thermostat
Stock exhaust manifolds with OEM cats
Borla S axle-back mufflers
PFAB extra capacity intercooler reservoir
C&R Heat Exchanger with fans
SPEC SS-twin disc clutch with lighter weight steel flywheel
DSS one-piece aluminum driveshaft
Stock 3.31 gears

Why did I stay with Whipple? I had a Gen 2 installed with a JDM tune, and I have been incredibly pleased with the appearance, fitment, and performance over the years. I especially liked the power delivery for high performance street and road course style driving with a continuous pull to redline, and I never felt that my car was lacking torque in my application. There has been substantial improvement in supercharger efficiency in both TVS and Twin Screw offerings in recent years, and since I plan to keep my car for the long term, I chose to capitalize on some efficiency to moderately increase performance on pump gas. I have been closely following the releases of blower upgrades for our platform for years, and (in my opinion) up until this point, no blower upgrade was enough of a performance gain in my application to justify the expense. The allure of 30-50 additional horsepower/torque in a near stock configuration was strong for the discounted price of $2750 for the new head unit. I always thought that my Gen 2 made plenty of power in cooler weather, but I wanted just a little more in warmer weather.

Below is my previous Gen 2 dyno pull (in blue) compared to the Gen 4 (in red and green), and weather conditions were more favorable for the Gen 2. I have two tunes on my SCT X4: one has a little more down low (93 Race) and one has a little less down low (93 Street). Peak numbers are cool but look at the difference under the curve… the power gain is obvious on the butt dyno. In 80*F outside air temps with proper heat in my 295 MPSSs and stock 3.31 gears on a good road, my car spins at the hit in 3rd gear and continues to haze the tires if I stay in it. I had to find a slightly uphill stretch of road to do a full pull in 3rd gear at WOT to 6000 RPM without wheel spin, and it is a rocket ship! I will be ordering new stickier tires soon.

I really appreciate the personalized tuning experience from Jim III and Jim Sr. with JDM Engineering! They listened to my performance goals and expectations and delivered exactly what I wanted, getting maximum performance with superb driveability out of my currently installed hardware for my style of driving. Here is their recipe for similar performance: 2007-2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang 800HP Whipple 2.9L GEN 4 Supercharger Upgrade Kit

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That is a solid gain at peak a certainly broad gains under the curve. Looks very linear as well. I would say it was a fantastic purchase especially for the goals you have. Kudos to you and your patient approach. It looks beautiful under the hood too.
 

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Awesome Numbers! You said there is more boost? What was the boost #s before on the Gen 2 vs the Gen 4 with the same pulleys?
 

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16.5#s was average for the Gen 2 at 6000 RPM. I saw 18.5#s on my AeroForce gauge yesterday with the Gen 4 at 6000 RPM. I also have an AutoMeter sweep boost gauge that quickly jumps to 19#s at WOT and keeps moving towards 20#s, but by that time my eyes are on the road ahead.
 

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I like a man with a good plan! And you certainly had one. You knew what you wanted, you communicated what you wanted to JDM, and they listened & delivered. Well done, and congratulations on the outstanding numbers. You've got one heck of a GT-500!
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Too bad you didn't get the boost numbers on the Gen 2. I'd like to see how boost compared for the whole pull. That's damn impressive pulley for pulley, however.
 

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Great thread and info! I'm looking at both KB and Whipple. How does your car handle all that power, on a road course?

I find the GT500, such an easy car to carve corners. It's 2nd gear, for slow corners, 3rd for medium, and 4th handles you up to 135mph or so. So linear on the power delivery. Makes it so easy to drive! Not a peaky, high revving/narrow powerband! Not annoying like a 7,8,or 10sp DCT transmission either!
 

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How does your car handle all that power, on a road course?

Personally, I would pulley up to a 3.25" with the Gen 4 if I were really pushing the car on the road course. My previous Gen 2 setup was actually really smooth once everything was up to temp. After exiting the slow corners once the car is pointed straight I could flat foot second gear and the tires would usually hold the power. On higher speed corners in 3rd gear, I just had to feather the throttle and once straight I could mat the pedal. No abrupt throttle changes in the turns... smooth is fast!
 

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Did you find the Whipple to run any cooler on track than the TVS? Is your bigger HE sufficient cooling for 20-30 minute sessions?

I bought one of the Gen 4's when they were on sale as well, hoping for more linear power delivery and maybe cooler running. Still haven't installed it though.

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Did you find the Whipple to run any cooler on track than the TVS? Is your bigger HE sufficient cooling for 20-30 minute sessions?

I never had a TVS on my car, only stock pullied Eaton and Whipple Gen 2. I honestly never monitored IAT2 on the track... scared to look. I just put 100 octane race gas in the tank and let her rip, trusting the car to detune itself accordingly when things get hot, and it never felt down on power. My spark plugs always look good, no signs of detonation.
 

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