1000+rwhp BLOWER ONLY cars in here

stangfreak · Aug 26, 2020

On a 03 cobra, I have yet to see a twin screw cobra trap 168-170. I have seen the coyotes do it. I guess with the newer motors its easier, but, if you want to compete, make power easier, no pulley swaps, I would go turbo. I guess I am still stuck in the 03 cobra days where we swapped out 5 different blowers to just stay within the same power level.

98 Saleen Cobra · Aug 26, 2020

stangfreak said:
On a 03 cobra, I have yet to see a twin screw cobra trap 168-170. I have seen the coyotes do it. I guess with the newer motors its easier, but, if you want to compete, make power easier, no pulley swaps, I would go turbo. I guess I am still stuck in the 03 cobra days where we swapped out 5 different blowers to just stay within the same power level.

Yea you probably won't either. Maybe in the next year or 2.. maybe. More and more people seem to be building combinations that can possibly do it.. Just depends on how big your pocket book is.

stangfreak · Aug 27, 2020

98 Saleen Cobra said:
Yea you probably won't either. Maybe in the next year or 2.. maybe. More and more people seem to be building combinations that can possibly do it.. Just depends on how big your pocket book is.

so I know you know your shit with these mod motors. Not sure why I never asked you. why are the coyote based motors trapping so high with a twin screw only? can it really be possible with lets say, building a boss 5.0 modular block? so far I have seen broke7's video and crane train. There cobras are trapping I believe 154-156mph blower only. Both built motors but, nothing radical. simple builds.

Black02GT · Aug 27, 2020

stangfreak said:
so I know you know your shit with these mod motors. Not sure why I never asked you. why are the coyote based motors trapping so high with a twin screw only? can it really be possible with lets say, building a boss 5.0 modular block? so far I have seen broke7's video and crane train. There cobras are trapping I believe 154-156mph blower only. Both built motors but, nothing radical. simple builds.

I venture to say the higher compression and a much more capable ECU has a lot to do with it. Not to mention a very capable auto option.

Not too many blower guys going stand alone. Maybe more now that Mega squirt has the PnP. Leaving a bit on the table with cammed 03s that the ECU and coils can't take into the 7k range.

I wanted to swap to MS on this build but Jose didn't seem interested in messing with it. I might talk to Dan at Real Speed in the future now that he is back around. Flex fuel and knock sensors would be nice.

stangfreak · Aug 27, 2020

Black02GT said:
I venture to say the higher compression and a much more capable ECU has a lot to do with it. Not to mention a very capable auto option.

Not too many blower guys going stand alone. Maybe more now that Mega squirt has the PnP. Leaving a bit on the table with cammed 03s that the ECU and coils can't take into the 7k range.

I wanted to swap to MS on this build but Jose didn't seem interested in messing with it. I might talk to Dan at Real Speed in the future now that he is back around.

Have I seen you at mustang magic? I see you joined in 2004. I was always hanging out with venomous john, pete, aj, jimmy vaccaro, dominick, james, john with the mach1, all the old school guys. I spoke to joey many times but he always wanted me to go turbo. I was also talking to him and the new joe about swapping my 6 speed to a 6R80. I know they did one to a guy named john I think with a GT500.

Black02GT · Aug 27, 2020

stangfreak said:
Have I seen you at mustang magic? I see you joined in 2004. I was always hanging out with venomous john, pete, aj, jimmy vaccaro, dominick, james, john with the mach1, all the old school guys. I spoke to joey many times but he always wanted me to go turbo. I was also talking to him and the new joe about swapping my 6 speed to a 6R80. I know they did one to a guy named john I think with a GT500.

Doubt it, probably seen my car there pretty much lives there this last year. Doesn't look like much but a V6 shitbox. Don't actually spend too much time there. Used Realspeed mostly but he took the spring off. But Ace Crank did this build and they're close to and work with MM so kinda made sense.

Only started going there early this year. Before that hadn't been there since like 08 and I was pretty young then. Honestly only know one or two SVT guys around here.

If the issues get worked out before it snows and it holds together for a couple miles this time we'll have to meet up. You East or West of ARH?

stangfreak · Aug 27, 2020

yea I know ace crank. They did my buddies cobra motor. yea I was there every saturday. 20 years ago, especially even when the 03 cobra came out, saturdays at mustang magic was insane. That place used to be packed. Good times. But yea would be cool to meet up. curious to see the build. I know a guy on here, mike plakis I believe his last name is? Has a gt with a cobra motor swap, 6r80 tranny done by steve at anarchy. was supposed to meet up with him as well. Maybe we can put something together. Thing is I work for NYC sanitation so my hours are crazy.

98 Saleen Cobra · Aug 28, 2020

stangfreak said:
so I know you know your shit with these mod motors. Not sure why I never asked you. why are the coyote based motors trapping so high with a twin screw only? can it really be possible with lets say, building a boss 5.0 modular block? so far I have seen broke7's video and crane train. There cobras are trapping I believe 154-156mph blower only. Both built motors but, nothing radical. simple builds.

Alot of people already commented with the information but I'll solidify it.

1. Compression. 11:1 engines are no joke with boost. Again as the old school modular guys build more and more capable setups you'll see it.

2. ECU: Again everyone builds these crazy high HP builds on stock ECU's and do nothing with the build other than street drive.. most are going Holley now

3. RPM: Limited by stock ECUs for the old school guys. Coyote's spin 8-8500rpm.. Again with the new builds coming to light and Holley ECU's you'll see modulars spinning this RPM.. I'm one of them already turning 8000+rpm.. Others are following suit.

4. Transmission:6R80.. Lock up in 2-6th I think.. BUT again.. every cobra so far is all manual cars with deadly engine combo's.. That's not gonna get you the trap.. Again more people are switching to Auto's so that'll help the cause..

5. Blowers: The blowers for the Coyote platform are far superior than what is offered for the 03/04 Cobra platform. Whipple's gen5 for the coyote with the top mount intercooler flows so much more air through the cooler than the Cobra's. everyone keeps trying to build a new core that flows more CFM but that has yet to happen. Until whipple makes a top mount cooler setup for the Cobra's, or until the 03/04 Cobra guys swap to a centri and a custom A/W or A/A I also feel they will trap higher. As it stands right now I know of myself and another guy who are actually racing a centri belt driven cobra.. everyone else is dyno numbers.. I don't even have dyno numbers for mine lol

Stay away from the Iron block.. Teksid only.. Std bore.. 10-11:1 compression, all the headword, big cams, ECU, Auto, Big blower.. You'll see it.. My car is probably getting really really close 160mph trap and that was with the 19psi setup.. I predict I'll be 126-127mph in the 1/8th with the smaller pulley I just put on it.. My car typically backhalfs 34-35mph.. That'll be on like 23psi.. Billet wheel ysi and a about 27psi I'll be up in the mid 160's more than likely.

Black02GT · Aug 28, 2020

stangfreak said:
yea I know ace crank. They did my buddies cobra motor. yea I was there every saturday. 20 years ago, especially even when the 03 cobra came out, saturdays at mustang magic was insane. That place used to be packed. Good times. But yea would be cool to meet up. curious to see the build. I know a guy on here, mike plakis I believe his last name is? Has a gt with a cobra motor swap, 6r80 tranny done by steve at anarchy. was supposed to meet up with him as well. Maybe we can put something together. Thing is I work for NYC sanitation so my hours are crazy.

Yeah I talked to Mike a year or two ago when he was building it. I remember him talking about swapping to a 6R80 cool he got it done. We should definitely all meet up some time soon. Should be good boost weather soon.

stangfreak · Aug 28, 2020

98 Saleen Cobra said:
Alot of people already commented with the information but I'll solidify it.

1. Compression. 11:1 engines are no joke with boost. Again as the old school modular guys build more and more capable setups you'll see it.

2. ECU: Again everyone builds these crazy high HP builds on stock ECU's and do nothing with the build other than street drive.. most are going Holley now

3. RPM: Limited by stock ECUs for the old school guys. Coyote's spin 8-8500rpm.. Again with the new builds coming to light and Holley ECU's you'll see modulars spinning this RPM.. I'm one of them already turning 8000+rpm.. Others are following suit.

4. Transmission:6R80.. Lock up in 2-6th I think.. BUT again.. every cobra so far is all manual cars with deadly engine combo's.. That's not gonna get you the trap.. Again more people are switching to Auto's so that'll help the cause..

5. Blowers: The blowers for the Coyote platform are far superior than what is offered for the 03/04 Cobra platform. Whipple's gen5 for the coyote with the top mount intercooler flows so much more air through the cooler than the Cobra's. everyone keeps trying to build a new core that flows more CFM but that has yet to happen. Until whipple makes a top mount cooler setup for the Cobra's, or until the 03/04 Cobra guys swap to a centri and a custom A/W or A/A I also feel they will trap higher. As it stands right now I know of myself and another guy who are actually racing a centri belt driven cobra.. everyone else is dyno numbers.. I don't even have dyno numbers for mine lol

Stay away from the Iron block.. Teksid only.. Std bore.. 10-11:1 compression, all the headword, big cams, ECU, Auto, Big blower.. You'll see it.. My car is probably getting really really close 160mph trap and that was with the 19psi setup.. I predict I'll be 126-127mph in the 1/8th with the smaller pulley I just put on it.. My car typically backhalfs 34-35mph.. That'll be on like 23psi.. Billet wheel ysi and a about 27psi I'll be up in the mid 160's more than likely.

wow thanks for clarifying everything. I remember juiced46, dave, who had one of the first procharged cobras, he said a properly setup centri car, will outperform a twinscrew all day. I believe that. I know you have to change a few things on the cobra for the centri to work. If I remember correctly, he said the intake runners on the 03 cobra were not ideal for a centri. so you have to correct that issue as well. Go air to air as well.

As far as the ECU, I am assuming once you go with the holley, passing emissions is gone. Its hard to have both worlds I guess. lol. I am surprised whipple didn't make a top mount intercooler setup for the cobra. I mean, lots of us are thankful that they are still even making new blowers for an old car. But, they made the gen 5, all new stuff, why not just go all out and redesign the blwer instead? Make it better.

Also keep us posted with your car. Its going to be an animal.

98 Saleen Cobra · Aug 28, 2020

stangfreak said:
wow thanks for clarifying everything. I remember juiced46, dave, who had one of the first procharged cobras, he said a properly setup centri car, will outperform a twinscrew all day. I believe that. I know you have to change a few things on the cobra for the centri to work. If I remember correctly, he said the intake runners on the 03 cobra were not ideal for a centri. so you have to correct that issue as well. Go air to air as well.

As far as the ECU, I am assuming once you go with the holley, passing emissions is gone. Its hard to have both worlds I guess. lol. I am surprised whipple didn't make a top mount intercooler setup for the cobra. I mean, lots of us are thankful that they are still even making new blowers for an old car. But, they made the gen 5, all new stuff, why not just go all out and redesign the blwer instead? Make it better.

Also keep us posted with your car. Its going to be an animal.

Yea a properly Centri will do that.. Maybe not on the dyno but at the track. and the intake is good and bad. stock ECU and that short of a runner is useles.. 8-8500rpm short runners are good. everyone says Sullivan sucks.. it sucks if your spinning 6500rpm.. but 8500? nah that where you need to be.

Yea emissions go out the window for sure. You gotta think for Whipple they have to appeal to people that want it to fit under the stock hood without changing a lot of stuff all while keep costs low lol, and doing a "bolt in" setup. I do think that they need to make a new blower with a top mount for people that don't care about modifying shit or getting a cowl hood.

Black02GT · Aug 28, 2020

stangfreak said:
wow thanks for clarifying everything. I remember juiced46, dave, who had one of the first procharged cobras, he said a properly setup centri car, will outperform a twinscrew all day. I believe that. I know you have to change a few things on the cobra for the centri to work. If I remember correctly, he said the intake runners on the 03 cobra were not ideal for a centri. so you have to correct that issue as well. Go air to air as well.

As far as the ECU, I am assuming once you go with the holley, passing emissions is gone. Its hard to have both worlds I guess. lol. I am surprised whipple didn't make a top mount intercooler setup for the cobra. I mean, lots of us are thankful that they are still even making new blowers for an old car. But, they made the gen 5, all new stuff, why not just go all out and redesign the blwer instead? Make it better.

Also keep us posted with your car. Its going to be an animal.

That was the allure of the MS PnP. Also no emissions but wouldn't be hard to stick a tuned stock ECU in to pass inspection since it uses the factory connector and wiring. Its does however has a much faster processor and I believe can run better coils so you can turn some more RPM.

Honestly still thinking of doing it. Knock sensing, spark based traction control, spark based rev limitter, no lift shift etc. Bunch of cool features.

DSG2003Mach1 · Aug 28, 2020

Black02GT said:
That was the allure of the MS PnP. Also no emissions but wouldn't be hard to stick a tuned stock ECU in to pass inspection since it uses the factory connector and wiring. Its does however has a much faster processor and I believe can run better coils so you can turn some more RPM.

Honestly still thinking of doing it. Knock sensing, spark based traction control, spark based rev limitter, no lift shift etc. Bunch of cool features.

Id like to see an update thread on the MS PnP, I know there were some bugs

98 Saleen Cobra · Aug 28, 2020

Black02GT said:
That was the allure of the MS PnP. Also no emissions but wouldn't be hard to stick a tuned stock ECU in to pass inspection since it uses the factory connector and wiring. Its does however has a much faster processor and I believe can run better coils so you can turn some more RPM.

Honestly still thinking of doing it. Knock sensing, spark based traction control, spark based rev limitter, no lift shift etc. Bunch of cool features.

You need to run better coils with a aftermarket ECU.. I run stock and one of the race cars AED built runs stock at 1400hp and 8000+rpm lol.. But yet you could run it

Black02GT · Aug 28, 2020

DSG2003Mach1 said:
Id like to see an update thread on the MS PnP, I know there were some bugs

I'll have to look on mod Fords there were some guys really excited about it. I haven't been following.

Black02GT · Aug 28, 2020

98 Saleen Cobra said:
You need to run better coils with a aftermarket ECU.. I run stock and one of the race cars AED built runs stock at 1400hp and 8000+rpm lol.. But yet you could run it

Interesting, so its just the processor speed on the stock ECU that limits RPM?

98 Saleen Cobra · Aug 28, 2020

Black02GT said:
Interesting, so its just the processor speed on the stock ECU that limits RPM?

Yes.

biminiLX · Aug 28, 2020

1100rwhp blower car here.
ARH 2” to 3.5” with QTP cutouts. Crazy loud fun times with them wide open.
Do they make a crank drive system for a Centri and Coyote yet?
-J

98 Saleen Cobra · Aug 29, 2020

biminiLX said:
1100rwhp blower car here.
ARH 2” to 3.5” with QTP cutouts. Crazy loud fun times with them wide open.
Do they make a crank drive system for a Centri and Coyote yet?
-J

Yea they make crank drive systems for both coyote and Modular cars from Chris Alston.
I didn't think of cutouts. That's not a bad idea.

stangfreak · Aug 29, 2020

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