08 GT500 vs 11 5.0. Is this normal?

[2011 gtcs]

well since i had a 2011 gt with tune, intake, ofr x-pipe before my 08 gt500 witch is basically stock, my gt500 pulls much harder than the 5.0, but i already ordered a pulley, intake and tune from vmp looking forward to 100+ more whp. but i must say the 2011 handled amazing.

 

[2012Yote]

Why do all the Gt500 guys always say "put pullies, CAI, Tune blah blah on the gt500 and blow the 5.0's doors off"? Aren't we already comparing a 500hp car to a 412hp car? supercharged to N/A? Throw a blower on the 5.0 running low boost and then what? It always turns into a pissing contest, The cars are both great for there purpose. Compare numbers stock to stock and they are almost identical. Gt500 has the hp/Tq numbers but also has the weight to go with it.

 

[thapr3dat0r]

Why do all the Gt500 guys always say "put pullies, CAI, Tune blah blah on the gt500 and blow the 5.0's doors off"? Aren't we already comparing a 500hp car to a 412hp car? supercharged to N/A? Throw a blower on the 5.0 running low boost and then what? It always turns into a pissing contest, The cars are both great for there purpose. Compare numbers stock to stock and they are almost identical. Gt500 has the hp/Tq numbers but also has the weight to go with it.

It is definitely impressive what the 5.0 does stock for stock vs. the 07-09 GT500. Both are impressive cars for the $$. I just think people say "put pullies, CAI, Tune blah blah on the gt500" because those are simple and cheap mods for a hell of a lot of power on the GT500. Of course we can always say "add this or that and..." but is pretty hard to deny the difference in power gain when putting less than $1000 of mods on both cars. But of course that's the benefit of being factory blown.

 

[2012Yote]

It is definitely impressive what the 5.0 does stock for stock vs. the 07-09 GT500. Both are impressive cars for the $$. I just think people say "put pullies, CAI, Tune blah blah on the gt500" because those are simple and cheap mods for a hell of a lot of power on the GT500. Of course we can always say "add this or that and..." but is pretty hard to deny the difference in power gain when putting less than $1000 of mods on both cars. But of course that's the benefit of being factory blown.

I agree! It just gets old if ya know what I mean.

 

[Grabber07']

I agree! It just gets old if ya know what I mean.

It may get old, but tell me whats untrue about the statement? You know what else gets old? 5.0 guys comparing their cars to the GT500 on most 5.0 forums (apples to oranges)oke:

Fact: In 2010 when deciding whether to purchase a 2011 GT or '10 GT500 I compared cost/performance. A fully loaded 2011 GT was literally going to cost me as much as a 1200 mile used 2010 GT500. My choice was a no brainer. She may be a pig, but for a measely $650 I upped the power to 540rwhp 545rwtq. For $650 on the 2011 I would have been able to purchase CAI and tune (netting around 400rwhp) and still lacking the forged internals.

Sure we can talk about throwing a blower on the 5.0....but lets do the math. $5,000-$7,000 for a supercharger on top of the cost of the 5.0 and not even have the security of forged internals (sure the 5.0 has handled high HP, but for how long is unknown)? So lets forge the car now....thats another what? $2,000-$4,000 depending on who does the work. So anywhere from $7,000 to $11,000 on just upgrades to equal the performance and reliability of the GT500.

'11+5.0 is an amazing motor and car, but its all about what youre wanting to get out of the car and how much you're willing to spend. If people are going to try and compare them, the cost to upgrade each is going to be thrown out there because its a valid point.:thumbsup:

PS. I just priced out a 2013 GT with my preferred options. Are you sitting down? $44,950 Thats just crazy

 

[Qwk GT]

The pulley quote may get old, but I think the "throw a supercharger on the 5.0" gets old. People who say that are thinking of tvs or twinscrews and comparing it to a heaton.....

Put that same tvs or twinscrew on the gt500 and see.

 

[NightRide]

Let's be honest, the Auto 5.0 is a great drag car but is a dog from a roll on the highway. From everything I've read a blown manual 5.0 has a hard time holding the power through the trans. The Shelby is a better platform from the get go.

 

[black99lightnin]

Why do all the Gt500 guys always say "put pullies, CAI, Tune blah blah on the gt500 and blow the 5.0's doors off"? Aren't we already comparing a 500hp car to a 412hp car? supercharged to N/A? Throw a blower on the 5.0 running low boost and then what? It always turns into a pissing contest, The cars are both great for there purpose. Compare numbers stock to stock and they are almost identical. Gt500 has the hp/Tq numbers but also has the weight to go with it.

Us 07-09 guys are at a significant gearing disadvantage. It's not just weight. 3.31 final drive compared to newer Shelby's with 3.55 or 3.73's. Plus the TR6060 isn't geared for 1/4 like the MT82 or the new A6. What we have over the new 5.0's is Torque, there have been several 07-09 to run bottom 12's stock. Mine ran 12.16 @ 113 STOCK, what's the fastest stock 11 + GT? Stock tires, stock airfilter, stock exhaust, stock tune.

 

[2012Yote]

Us 07-09 guys are at a significant gearing disadvantage. It's not just weight. 3.31 final drive compared to newer Shelby's with 3.55 or 3.73's. Plus the TR6060 isn't geared for 1/4 like the MT82 or the new A6. What we have over the new 5.0's is Torque, there have been several 07-09 to run bottom 12's stock. Mine ran 12.16 @ 113 STOCK, what's the fastest stock 11 + GT? Stock tires, stock airfilter, stock exhaust, stock tune.

Well there are a number of factors to consider when calling out 1/4 times. The track, temp, humidity etc etc. Not saying you are lying but not saying a 5.0 couldn't have done it that night under the same conditions either.

 

[baldie86]

Us 07-09 guys are at a significant gearing disadvantage. It's not just weight. 3.31 final drive compared to newer Shelby's with 3.55 or 3.73's. Plus the TR6060 isn't geared for 1/4 like the MT82 or the new A6. What we have over the new 5.0's is Torque, there have been several 07-09 to run bottom 12's stock. Mine ran 12.16 @ 113 STOCK, what's the fastest stock 11 + GT? Stock tires, stock airfilter, stock exhaust, stock tune.

Fastest stock mustang is 12.22
Pure Stock---------------- 1.89 --12.22 @ 115.18 ----STOCK --------3/26/11 Cecil County Dragway

 

[black99lightnin]

Well there are a number of factors to consider when calling out 1/4 times. The track, temp, humidity etc etc. Not saying you are lying but not saying a 5.0 couldn't have done it that night under the same conditions either.

Weather has a lot do with the 07-09's more so than the new 5.0's or the newer GT500's. The newer cars use knock sensors for timing adjustment not IAT2's.

And do you think I care if you're calling me a liar?:rollseyes Wow you've been a member for an entire 2 months. BTW, I'll be in HRP next weekend. We can line them up if you want?

 

[EnthusiastGT]

Us 07-09 guys are at a significant gearing disadvantage. It's not just weight. 3.31 final drive compared to newer Shelby's with 3.55 or 3.73's. Plus the TR6060 isn't geared for 1/4 like the MT82 or the new A6. What we have over the new 5.0's is Torque, there have been several 07-09 to run bottom 12's stock. Mine ran 12.16 @ 113 STOCK, what's the fastest stock 11 + GT? Stock tires, stock airfilter, stock exhaust, stock tune.

Um, this past week I ran a 13.2 at 112mph....my first time at the strip ever. That was with a rookie launch from zero rpm on all season tires...and my third pass ever down a drag strip. The stock 07-09 was a beast back in 07, hp but it is past it's day. Modded they are different animals completely.

 

[2012Yote]

Weather has a lot do with the 07-09's more so than the new 5.0's or the newer GT500's. The newer cars use knock sensors for timing adjustment not IAT2's.

And do you think I care if you're calling me a liar?:rollseyes Wow you've been a member for an entire 2 months. BTW, I'll be in HRP next weekend. We can line them up if you want?

What is HRP? You mean RPR? Who is calling you a liar? And if some of you dipshits could read I said "Stock for stock the numbers are ALMOST identical". Already turning into a pissing contest. I have seen bone stock 5.0's run low 12's to high 13's at RPR and I have also seen GT500's run high 13's. Driver?

@Grabber07, You bought a 2010 GT500 in 2010 for 30k? And really 540/545rwhp for $650?

 

[Grabber07']

@Grabber07, You bought a 2010 GT500 in 2010 for 30k? And really 540/545rwhp for $650?

You might want to "re-read" my post. In 2010 the 2011 GT I was ordering from Ford was right at $39,000 with the options I wanted, which is right around what I paid for my '10 GT500. And YES my 2.59 pulley and tune was $650 (And YES I netted 540/545 with just that modification).. Why would you even question my comment on my HP for $650 unless you haven't done any research and what to expect with aftermarket modifications for the GT500?

VMP kit link is below sir

VMP Tuning - Buy Ford SCT & GM Custom Handheld Flash Tuners Performance Economy Towing: 10-12 GT500 Pulley & Custom Tune Upgrade Package

Another little tid bit on the Shelby vs GT debate. Fastest stock 2011 GT500 on BIGS AND LITTLES is 11.16 @ 124mph. What do you honestly think a factory stock GT would have done with those same bigs and littles on that very same day? It wouldnt even be close. My guess is almost a second slower.

Anyone can hang with a car thats traction limited, eliminate that and its over. I dont even know why we are even debating this.

 

[2012Yote]

You might want to "re-read" my post. In 2010 the 2011 GT I was ordering from Ford was right at $39,000 with the options I wanted, which is right around what I paid for my '10 GT500. And YES my 2.59 pulley and tune was $650 (And YES I netted 540/545 with just that modification).. Why would you even question my comment on my HP for $650 unless you haven't done any research and what to expect with aftermarket modifications for the GT500?

VMP kit link is below sir

VMP Tuning - Buy Ford SCT & GM Custom Handheld Flash Tuners Performance Economy Towing: 10-12 GT500 Pulley & Custom Tune Upgrade Package

Another little tid bit on the Shelby vs GT debate. Fastest stock 2011 GT500 on BIGS AND LITTLES is 11.16 @ 124mph. What do you honestly think a factory stock GT would have done with those same bigs and littles on that very same day? It wouldnt even be close. My guess is almost a second slower.

Anyone can hang with a car thats traction limited, eliminate that and its over. I dont even know why we are even debating this.

Man that is outrageous for a gt. I'm not going to keep going back and fourth with you guys, it always come down to "I own it so it's the best" Congrats to you guys with your expensive cars.

 

[2K1 SVT]

Man that is outrageous for a gt. I'm not going to keep going back and fourth with you guys, it always come down to "I own it so it's the best" Congrats to you guys with your expensive cars.

Lol thats funny that you say that because it is ALWAYS the 5.0 guys starting things saying that they are the best. First it was the comparison with the Terminator now they have gotten faster over night and are better than the Shelbys as well. I wish that my car just kept getting faster due to hype :nonono:

 

[2011 gtcs]

2011+ GT is a great car and yes stock for stock against the 07-09 GT500 in a drag is a good race. But in the end the GT500 will always be the king, full forged internals TR6060 trans and a blower, against weak cast internals and a joke of a 6 speed trans, im not trying to bash the new GT but i did own one before my GT500, the reason i got rid of it was cause my #8 piston burned up. The point is were all comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Grabber07']

Fastest stock mustang is 12.22
Pure Stock---------------- 1.89 --12.22 @ 115.18 ----STOCK --------3/26/11 Cecil County Dragway

Even the 5.0 guys question that "pure stock" 12.2 @115. There have been numerous threads about it as everyone and their dog is throwing that time out there to talk up the 5.0 and its 1/4'' dominance.

The consensus from the threads I have read....Cecil is a very "fast" track, same track where stock 350zs are capable of running high 12s.....:??:

Quotes about Cecil:
"Cecil was once called the traction Capitol of the world, due to its concrete "launch" pad and the fact it's almost sea level." Negative DAs are common there.

12.2 is believable on a negative DA day and a prepped track, probably a 12.6 everywhere else in the country.

I have yet to see anyone duplicate that result or really even come close in stock trim.

 

[Grabber07']

Man that is outrageous for a gt. I'm not going to keep going back and fourth with you guys, it always come down to "I own it so it's the best" Congrats to you guys with your expensive cars.

It sure is outrageous, have you seen the pricing on the '13s....

You are showing your true insecurities with your comments. no one is saying "my car is better", just showing you the facts...if the facts show it to be better at one thing (1/4 mile) well then I dont know what to tell you....

Its not an us against them until you make it that. Lets not forget the comments that started this ridiculous back and fourth.

Enjoy your GT sir

 

[GeorgeInNePa]

Us 07-09 guys are at a significant gearing disadvantage. It's not just weight. 3.31 final drive compared to newer Shelby's with 3.55 or 3.73's. Plus the TR6060 isn't geared for 1/4 like the MT82 or the new A6. What we have over the new 5.0's is Torque, there have been several 07-09 to run bottom 12's stock. Mine ran 12.16 @ 113 STOCK, what's the fastest stock 11 + GT? Stock tires, stock airfilter, stock exhaust, stock tune.

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quickest 100% stock 2011 gt?

12.37 is the quickest stock auto, that I know of.