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Americans driving to Canada for cheaper insulin

Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by Kevins89notch, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. Blk04L

    Blk04L . . . Premium Member Established Member

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    I think as more people get stuck with high prices from medicine to actual health care I believe it will accelerate the push towards socialized healthcare.

    When people can't afford medications/treatment for issues caused by shit luck or poor personal responsibility they will buy into the Bernie free healthcare for all idea. And with more Democrats pushing for it now, I could see it happening fairly soon. And with people seeing medications like insulin or other drugs that don't have generic competition spike in price for greed, well I can see why nationalized healthcare is picking up steam.

    Price of insurance has been rising over the years and deductibles have too. Repubs had two years to do anything and failed. Hell, outside of trying to eliminate ACA they had no 2nd step.
     
  2. Coiled03

    Coiled03 Well-Known Member Premium Member Established Member

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    OP is known for loving Obamacare. **** off with that shit.

    I don't care how you couch it. Getting the government involved in health care is not the answer.
     
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  3. Kevins89notch

    Kevins89notch Well-Known Member Established Member

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    No, it ****ed things up by not doing enough. My monthly rates have doubled. CEO incomes are up. The public is still getting ****ed and then Trump gave tax breaks to the millionaires, these CEOs.
     
  4. Kevins89notch

    Kevins89notch Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Diabetics from Minnesota find insulin at one-tenth the price — in Canada – Twin Cities

    The 57-year-old Ginsberg was diagnosed when she was 8. Now her son also is a Type 1 diabetic. He just turned 26, meaning he’s no longer on his parents’ insurance. She remembers when her insulin would cost about $20 a vial when she was a child; now one would cost several hundred dollars.

    A typical vial of insulin that will last a diabetic about 10 days costs about $300 without insurance in the United States. In Canada, the exact same type of insulin can be purchased for just $30.


    The increase in the price has been dramatic in recent years. The price has nearly doubled from 2012 to 2016, according to the nonprofit organization Health Care Cost Institute. On average in 2012, patients spent $2,864. In 2016, that nearly doubled to about $5,705.

    About 1.25 million Americans are living with Type 1 diabetes. And of those Americans taking insulin, one in four are rationing it because they can’t afford it.


    Hoatson paid $268 for insulin that would have cost her $4,123 back home.

    Souther’s insulin costs $380 per vial in the United States, but the same vial cost her about $40 in Canada.
     
  5. mysticsvt

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    It goes without saying there is a problem. When you don't have insurance the bill is way more than when you do. If an insurance company can fight for a lower cost shouldn't it already be there? You're broke from either paying for insurance or unable to afford the insurance or bill. How would it effects us negatively if we could be charged 100% or less what it costs the manufacture the drug? Even at 100% drug costs would be incredibly cheaper. Should government create ceilings?
     
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    Corbic Well-Known Member Premium Member Established Member

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    Apples / Oranges.


    Show me a picture of the exact same insolin bottles.

    Here’s Why Insulin Is So Expensive - And What You Can Do About It - GoodRx

    Sounds like he's buying synthetic insolin and was using synthetic 20 years ago.

    Maybe we should ban insolin. Diabetics will die off, obesity will be stopped and Healthcare costs will dramatically drop....


    Insolin is the absolute worst example for Healthcare. Insolin is a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the ****ing cure.

    Ban Corn Syrup, Stop Obesity, Fight the Processed Food Industry, teach women to cook again.
     
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  7. Kevins89notch

    Kevins89notch Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I don't have a picture, but two posts up....

    "Souther’s insulin costs $380 per vial in the United States, but the same vial cost her about $40 in Canada."
     
  8. Blown 89

    Blown 89 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Fixed that for you
     
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  9. Weather Man

    Weather Man Persistance Is A Bitch Premium Member Established Member

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    There should be a dumbest post of the day thread. CEO income in a booming economy and your health insurance rates completely ****ed up by Obama are not related. Trump gave a tax cut to over 80% of Americans, even if most are to damn dumb to know it.
     
  10. HillbillyHotRod

    HillbillyHotRod Hooligan rabble rouser Established Member

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    I like pay increase and level health care this year. First year since that asshole got out of office.
     
  11. lOOKnGO

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    I thought Obama promised and fixed all this! Is there still an issue? Of course there is! Prices are even higher SUCKERS!
     
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    Sorry, but what you are saying is simply not correct. You are being fed a bunch of nonsense by people who have an interest in your system staying the same as it is now.

    You mentioned colon cancer. As it happens, I golfed today with a guy I know well who was diagnosed on Jan. 24 of this year with that exact problem. He was into the operating theater in less than three days and just finished his final round of chemo last week. Doing very well, thanks.

    My brother had a heart attack awhile back and had an angiogram, was stented and fully fixed within one day in a world class cardiac hospital (Mazankowski Heart Institute).

    Our system, while not perfect, triages very well and gets to the important life threatening illnesses remarkably quickly. Some areas, particularly joint replacement surgeries, can have what seems like overly long wait times. Most things are handled very quickly and very well. Our outcomes and life expectancies are quite a bit better than the US equivalents at approximately half the cost per person. I know that it's not fun to hear this, but something is wrong with the US system that spends so much for such mediocre results.

    I mean no offense here. I'm just thinking that you guys are getting screwed. Hope it works out however you change what you have now.
     
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  13. lowflyn

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    Sounds to me like personal choices led to higher priced prescriptions.




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  14. Kevins89notch

    Kevins89notch Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I know. I have a coworker who was born and raised in Canada for 30 years before she came here, but she still visits Canada about 2-3 weeks about 2-3 times a year. I've asked her several times and she's told me about her parent's health before the passed, her two sisters and her brother, her nieces and nephews, etc.


    They, meaning lobbyists, elected officials, CEOs, etc have perfectly convinced the right that the government is to blame for the US and it's shitty health care. It's government = bad, capitalism = good. Something something about if we had less laws, the prices would go down...because you know CEOs would just love to make less money.

    What those on the bottom, the average folks will scream about is "YOU PAY MORE TAXES UP THERE, NOTHING IS FREE!!!!"

    Ok, let's google.

    If you make $80,000 a year living in the region of Ontario, Canada, you will be taxed$20,477. That means that your net pay will be $59,523 per year

    For me in FL...

    Salary
    $80,000
    Federal Income Tax
    - $10,900
    Social Security
    - $4,960
    Medicare Tax
    - $1,160

    Total tax
    - $17,020
    Net pay
    * $62,981


    So in Canada I would pay $3,500 more in taxes....but here I pay $3,000 a year in health insurance...and also copays, deductibles, out of network, etc. If I drive 4 hours away, something bad happens, I could be out 10K easily. Meanwhile if that same accident happened to me in Italy, they would bill me like $150 and wish me well...even as a tourist. It's almost as if that evil socialist health care for everyone, actually works better.
     
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  15. Weather Man

    Weather Man Persistance Is A Bitch Premium Member Established Member

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    There is nothing capitalistic about our health care system. The only capitalistic parts are the increasing number of doctors leaving the insurance/HMO system to join cash only COOP's that provide care for a far cheaper price.

    We have the worst of all worlds with a capitalistic highly regulated health care system that is so in bed with the politicians of both parties that it will take a miracle to get it straightened back out.

    I use the VA, they tried to kill me once, anyone who thinks the government having more control of health care is a good thing doesn't know what they are asking for.

    The American health care system has had more and more of the "free market" removed from it and everyone is paying the price. The problem being that all the local, state and federal tentacles of regulation imposed by all the myriad bureaucracies will take a herculean effort to roll back in a concerted way to lower prices.

    Sad to say, I think it more likely that the system will simple collapse when the national debt bomb explodes and you better have a ****ing chicken to trade to the Doc to set your busted leg.
     
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    You are being redirected...

    Canada’s taxpayer-funded universal health-care system—without premiums, deductibles or copayments—provides a cautionary tale. While regularly held up as the posterchild for U.S health-care reform, objective measures of performance show it’s a comparatively expensive system that achieves only mediocre (and sometimes very poor) results.

    Dont know why ,but those links are to different articles.
     
  19. COOL COBRA

    COOL COBRA Hell Yes! Premium Member Established Member

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    Stepped in, saw libs & Canadians, stepping back out..
     
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  20. Kevins89notch

    Kevins89notch Well-Known Member Established Member

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    So in other words, you can't argue why we in the US are getting ****ed on insulin prices, and want to back out because you don't have the balls to admit the US isn't the best at everything. Got it.
     

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