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Here is a little article from our local paper here in central PA. While I have allot of friends and family in the gas industry that will be affected by this as PA provides allot of jobs in the industry, but I am moving in the direction myself, or at least I thought I was. Anyhow this is a read that makes my blood boil. Not only shutting down fracking, but the keystone pipeline getting shutdown is just a kick in the face for American workers. Liberals just do not get it, my wife Aunt and Uncle are very far left and are glad to see Biden is taking these steps to preserve our planet, as they drive there new F150 pulling a camper around PA getting maybe 12mpg. He also has a 2012 5.0 and they heat their house with Natural gas. But in this post it shows how it will affect the auto industry once again. It's such a shame where this country is going and the double standards we have to live by...


President Joe Biden has put his team to work reviewing dozens of actions taken by former President Donald Trump, aiming to reverse orders that he says harm the environment or endanger public health.
For the energy and auto industries, the impact could be far-reaching.

Biden aims to reduce harmful emissions from cars, trucks and SUVs. Oil and gas operations are being scrutinized as well — from how companies extract resources from the ground to the safety of pipelines that distribute the fuels. The new president aims to transition the country to 100% renewable energy for electricity generation by 2035 and net-zero emissions in the overall economy by 2050.

His campaign website promises to develop “rigorous” new fuel economy standards and eventually make all light- and medium-duty vehicles electric, though it provides no time frame. During his campaign, Biden also spoke about restricting oil and gas drilling on federal lands and reducing methane emissions from oil and gas operations.

Many experts agree that Biden’s actions could help the nation achieve ambitious climate goals and further enhance the renewable energy sector, driving job growth. Others say they worry more that stricter regulations could hurt companies struggling to recover from the pandemic, which decimated demand for fuel.

Hours after his inauguration Wednesday, Biden directed federal agencies to immediately review regulations and executive actions taken in the past four years that threatened public health or the environment. Ultimately, his success will require surmounting opposition in the energy industry as well as in Congress.

“Yes, we have a blue wave, but it’s a pretty thin wave with a 50/50 split in the Senate,” said Stewart Glickman, senior equity analyst at CFRA Research. “Still, this is the first presidency that is actively trying to discourage fossil fuel development while promoting renewables.

Here is look at some energy issues Biden plans to tackle:

Methane Leaks

Methane, the main component of natural gas, frequently leaks from oil and gas wells and pipelines. As it does, it exerts a powerful warming effect on the atmosphere. Methane accounted for 10% of the nation’s greenhouse gas emissions in 2018, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. And the oil and gas industry produced nearly 30% of the country’s methane emissions

Under President Barack Obama, oil and gas operations were required to inspect equipment built or modified after 2015 twice a year for methane leaks and fix leaks that they found. Trump weakened those rules. Now, Biden is expected to restore Obama-era methane regulations. He may also extend those requirements to those older wells, which could put some operators out of business.

“Texas’ Permian Basin is one of the largest sources of methane emissions in the world,” noted Emma Pabst, an advocate with Environment Texas. “Reinstituting these rules will have a significant impact on our state’s climate and environment. Requiring oil and gas companies to address methane leaks along the production line sends a clear message that our Environmental Protection Agency is no longer giving out free passes to pollute.”

Trump’s decision to loosen methane regulations was opposed even by BP, Chevron Shell and ExxonMobil and other major oil and gas companies because they had invested heavily to reduce methane emissions. If Biden were to just reverse Trump’s rule and restore Obama’s methane regulations, it would have little impact. That’s because many big companies already tightened their methane leak prevention techniques.

But Biden may extend the methane regulations to older wells. That worries independent producers, especially those that operate “stripper wells” that produce just a barrel or two of oil a day, that the expense of controlling methane leaks could put them out of business.

“We are very concerned about, especially for our members, our independent producers, that if there’s a heavy Washington-bound approach that handcuffs the industry from finding solutions to this methane question, that would be a mistake,” said Dan Naatz of the Independent Petroleum Association of America.

Low-producing stripper wells could become uneconomical through high compliance costs if these rules were expanded, and the move would certainly face legal challenges, said Parker Fawcett, an analyst for S&P Global Platts.

Fuel Economy

The new administration intends to undo one of Trump’s biggest changes: His gutting of Obama-era fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions standards for automobiles through 2025. But the regulatory slog could take a couple of years unless Trump’s rollbacks are thrown out by the courts. Biden will also likely reverse Trump’s decision to revoke California’s ability to set its own pollution standards.

David Friedman, a former acting administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, one of the agencies that sets such auto standards, said he thinks it will take until the 2023 model year for stricter standards from Biden to take effect. The Trump administration cut Obama-era standards for model years 2021 to 2025 from 4.7% annual fuel efficiency gains to 1.5%, weakening one of the nation’s biggest efforts to fight climate change. Trump contended that the changes would make cars more affordable and safer. Both points were disputed by environmental groups.

The rollback was largely supported by the auto industry, though Ford, BMW, Volkswagen, Honda and Volvo backed California for what amounted to 3.7% annual fuel efficiency increases. Many in the industry think the agreement with California is where bargaining will begin with the Biden administration.

Automakers have long maintained that they would have trouble meeting Obama-era standards if they aren’t rolled back. The industry has said it supports increased standards but that because people are buying less-efficient SUVs and trucks, it would have trouble reaching the Obama numbers. Last year, 76% of the new vehicles sold in the U.S. were trucks and SUVs.

During the 2019 model year, 11 of 14 major automakers had to rely on regulatory credits because they didn’t meet standards, according to EPA figures. Gas mileage declined and pollution went up in 2019 for the first time in five years.

The industry knows change is coming and is hoping for a settlement. It is “committed to working with President Biden and his team on our shared goals of reducing emissions and realizing the benefits of an electric future,” said John Bozzella, CEO of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, a trade group.

Friedman, now with Consumer Reports, says the industry already has the technology already to meet the Obama-era standards, even without a plethora of battery-powered electric vehicles that are coming to market. A Consumer Reports analysis of Trump’s rollback found that it would increase fuel costs during the life of an average new vehicle by $3,200.

“There’s a lot of room to for this administration to lead this country forward, save consumers money and clean the air,” Friedman said.

Federal Drilling Bans

Biden directed the Interior Department to halt all leasing for oil and natural gas exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. But his ambitions are broader. With sights set on all federal lands, Biden ordered reviews of Trump-era rules that were designed to accelerate the process of allowing drilling on federal land.

Speculation alone had already sparked a flurry of activity. In the waning months of the Trump administration, companies began stockpiling permits to drill on federal land, and the federal government sped up approvals to help the industry.

Pipelines

Among his first executive orders, Biden revoked the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline, the 1,700-mile pipeline that was to carry oil from Alberta, Canada to the Texas Gulf Coast. Keystone XL began shutting down construction, and the company said it would eliminate more than 1,000 jobs in coming weeks.

The pipeline had been a symbol of struggle between the goals of preserving jobs and curtailing global warming. Trump had presided over an expansion of the nation’s oil and gas pipeline network. But legal setbacks chipped away at his progress.

Biden’s plans to apply a swift hammer to Keystone XL and reverse Trump administration roll-backs indicate that “any hope of Biden moderating his posture towards the industry once in office are now dashed,” said Fawcett, the analyst for S&P Global Platts.

Environmentalists and Native American tribes had opposed the pipeline, arguing that new infrastructure for fossil fuels would worsen climate change. “We should invest in infrastructure that helps us build a cleaner and healthier America, not infrastructure that ties us to the dirty energy sources of the past,” said Matt Casale of U.S. PIRG, a federation of nonprofits.

The American Petroleum Institute assailed Biden’s actions on Keystone as a step backwards that would hurt union workers.

“Pipelines are the safest, most environmentally friendly way to transport energy, and the economy cannot recover at full speed unless we deliver reliable energy from where it is to where it is needed,” said Mike Sommers, the institute’s CEO.

Preventing Blowouts

The president directed the Interior Department to review rules that are designed to prevent blowouts on offshore oil rigs. The Obama administration had adopted safety measures after the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster that killed 11 and spilled 134 million gallons of oil into the Gulf in 2010.

After that tragedy, Obama required companies to test blowout preventers, which are designed to seal a well in case of a blowout, every 14 days. Trump relaxed that standard to every 21 days. But deep-water exploration has expanded in recent years, even as safety inspections declined.

Environmentalists have been pushing for more frequent inspections, said Nancy Kinner of the University of New Hampshire’s Coastal Response Research Center and Center for Spills and Environmental Hazards.

“The new administration’s whole thought on this is really to go back and look at that and make sure it’s rigorous enough,” Kinner said.
 

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Here is a little article from our local paper here in central PA. While I have allot of friends and family in the gas industry that will be affected by this as PA provides allot of jobs in the industry, but I am moving in the direction myself, or at least I thought I was. Anyhow this is a read that makes my blood boil. Not only shutting down fracking, but the keystone pipeline getting shutdown is just a kick in the face for American workers. Liberals just do not get it, my wife Aunt and Uncle are very far left and are glad to see Biden is taking these steps to preserve our planet, as they drive there new F150 pulling a camper around PA getting maybe 12mpg. He also has a 2012 5.0 and they heat their house with Natural gas. But in this post it shows how it will affect the auto industry once again. It's such a shame where this country is going and the double standards we have to live by...


President Joe Biden has put his team to work reviewing dozens of actions taken by former President Donald Trump, aiming to reverse orders that he says harm the environment or endanger public health.
For the energy and auto industries, the impact could be far-reaching.

Biden aims to reduce harmful emissions from cars, trucks and SUVs. Oil and gas operations are being scrutinized as well — from how companies extract resources from the ground to the safety of pipelines that distribute the fuels. The new president aims to transition the country to 100% renewable energy for electricity generation by 2035 and net-zero emissions in the overall economy by 2050.

His campaign website promises to develop “rigorous” new fuel economy standards and eventually make all light- and medium-duty vehicles electric, though it provides no time frame. During his campaign, Biden also spoke about restricting oil and gas drilling on federal lands and reducing methane emissions from oil and gas operations.

Many experts agree that Biden’s actions could help the nation achieve ambitious climate goals and further enhance the renewable energy sector, driving job growth. Others say they worry more that stricter regulations could hurt companies struggling to recover from the pandemic, which decimated demand for fuel.

Hours after his inauguration Wednesday, Biden directed federal agencies to immediately review regulations and executive actions taken in the past four years that threatened public health or the environment. Ultimately, his success will require surmounting opposition in the energy industry as well as in Congress.

“Yes, we have a blue wave, but it’s a pretty thin wave with a 50/50 split in the Senate,” said Stewart Glickman, senior equity analyst at CFRA Research. “Still, this is the first presidency that is actively trying to discourage fossil fuel development while promoting renewables.

Here is look at some energy issues Biden plans to tackle:

Methane Leaks

Methane, the main component of natural gas, frequently leaks from oil and gas wells and pipelines. As it does, it exerts a powerful warming effect on the atmosphere. Methane accounted for 10% of the nation’s greenhouse gas emissions in 2018, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. And the oil and gas industry produced nearly 30% of the country’s methane emissions

Under President Barack Obama, oil and gas operations were required to inspect equipment built or modified after 2015 twice a year for methane leaks and fix leaks that they found. Trump weakened those rules. Now, Biden is expected to restore Obama-era methane regulations. He may also extend those requirements to those older wells, which could put some operators out of business.

“Texas’ Permian Basin is one of the largest sources of methane emissions in the world,” noted Emma Pabst, an advocate with Environment Texas. “Reinstituting these rules will have a significant impact on our state’s climate and environment. Requiring oil and gas companies to address methane leaks along the production line sends a clear message that our Environmental Protection Agency is no longer giving out free passes to pollute.”

Trump’s decision to loosen methane regulations was opposed even by BP, Chevron Shell and ExxonMobil and other major oil and gas companies because they had invested heavily to reduce methane emissions. If Biden were to just reverse Trump’s rule and restore Obama’s methane regulations, it would have little impact. That’s because many big companies already tightened their methane leak prevention techniques.

But Biden may extend the methane regulations to older wells. That worries independent producers, especially those that operate “stripper wells” that produce just a barrel or two of oil a day, that the expense of controlling methane leaks could put them out of business.

“We are very concerned about, especially for our members, our independent producers, that if there’s a heavy Washington-bound approach that handcuffs the industry from finding solutions to this methane question, that would be a mistake,” said Dan Naatz of the Independent Petroleum Association of America.

Low-producing stripper wells could become uneconomical through high compliance costs if these rules were expanded, and the move would certainly face legal challenges, said Parker Fawcett, an analyst for S&P Global Platts.

Fuel Economy

The new administration intends to undo one of Trump’s biggest changes: His gutting of Obama-era fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions standards for automobiles through 2025. But the regulatory slog could take a couple of years unless Trump’s rollbacks are thrown out by the courts. Biden will also likely reverse Trump’s decision to revoke California’s ability to set its own pollution standards.

David Friedman, a former acting administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, one of the agencies that sets such auto standards, said he thinks it will take until the 2023 model year for stricter standards from Biden to take effect. The Trump administration cut Obama-era standards for model years 2021 to 2025 from 4.7% annual fuel efficiency gains to 1.5%, weakening one of the nation’s biggest efforts to fight climate change. Trump contended that the changes would make cars more affordable and safer. Both points were disputed by environmental groups.

The rollback was largely supported by the auto industry, though Ford, BMW, Volkswagen, Honda and Volvo backed California for what amounted to 3.7% annual fuel efficiency increases. Many in the industry think the agreement with California is where bargaining will begin with the Biden administration.

Automakers have long maintained that they would have trouble meeting Obama-era standards if they aren’t rolled back. The industry has said it supports increased standards but that because people are buying less-efficient SUVs and trucks, it would have trouble reaching the Obama numbers. Last year, 76% of the new vehicles sold in the U.S. were trucks and SUVs.

During the 2019 model year, 11 of 14 major automakers had to rely on regulatory credits because they didn’t meet standards, according to EPA figures. Gas mileage declined and pollution went up in 2019 for the first time in five years.

The industry knows change is coming and is hoping for a settlement. It is “committed to working with President Biden and his team on our shared goals of reducing emissions and realizing the benefits of an electric future,” said John Bozzella, CEO of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, a trade group.

Friedman, now with Consumer Reports, says the industry already has the technology already to meet the Obama-era standards, even without a plethora of battery-powered electric vehicles that are coming to market. A Consumer Reports analysis of Trump’s rollback found that it would increase fuel costs during the life of an average new vehicle by $3,200.

“There’s a lot of room to for this administration to lead this country forward, save consumers money and clean the air,” Friedman said.

Federal Drilling Bans

Biden directed the Interior Department to halt all leasing for oil and natural gas exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. But his ambitions are broader. With sights set on all federal lands, Biden ordered reviews of Trump-era rules that were designed to accelerate the process of allowing drilling on federal land.

Speculation alone had already sparked a flurry of activity. In the waning months of the Trump administration, companies began stockpiling permits to drill on federal land, and the federal government sped up approvals to help the industry.

Pipelines

Among his first executive orders, Biden revoked the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline, the 1,700-mile pipeline that was to carry oil from Alberta, Canada to the Texas Gulf Coast. Keystone XL began shutting down construction, and the company said it would eliminate more than 1,000 jobs in coming weeks.

The pipeline had been a symbol of struggle between the goals of preserving jobs and curtailing global warming. Trump had presided over an expansion of the nation’s oil and gas pipeline network. But legal setbacks chipped away at his progress.

Biden’s plans to apply a swift hammer to Keystone XL and reverse Trump administration roll-backs indicate that “any hope of Biden moderating his posture towards the industry once in office are now dashed,” said Fawcett, the analyst for S&P Global Platts.

Environmentalists and Native American tribes had opposed the pipeline, arguing that new infrastructure for fossil fuels would worsen climate change. “We should invest in infrastructure that helps us build a cleaner and healthier America, not infrastructure that ties us to the dirty energy sources of the past,” said Matt Casale of U.S. PIRG, a federation of nonprofits.

The American Petroleum Institute assailed Biden’s actions on Keystone as a step backwards that would hurt union workers.

“Pipelines are the safest, most environmentally friendly way to transport energy, and the economy cannot recover at full speed unless we deliver reliable energy from where it is to where it is needed,” said Mike Sommers, the institute’s CEO.

Preventing Blowouts

The president directed the Interior Department to review rules that are designed to prevent blowouts on offshore oil rigs. The Obama administration had adopted safety measures after the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster that killed 11 and spilled 134 million gallons of oil into the Gulf in 2010.

After that tragedy, Obama required companies to test blowout preventers, which are designed to seal a well in case of a blowout, every 14 days. Trump relaxed that standard to every 21 days. But deep-water exploration has expanded in recent years, even as safety inspections declined.

Environmentalists have been pushing for more frequent inspections, said Nancy Kinner of the University of New Hampshire’s Coastal Response Research Center and Center for Spills and Environmental Hazards.

“The new administration’s whole thought on this is really to go back and look at that and make sure it’s rigorous enough,” Kinner said.
Your aunt and uncle are dumbasses like so many across this country. But don't argue as they are family, just laugh at them.
 

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Your aunt and uncle are dumbasses like so many across this country. But don't argue as they are family, just laugh at them.
I'm not like that. If this was 15yrs ago when I had a different mind set, someone who speaks to me the way liberals of there stature speaks to me would have busted teeth. Plain and simple. But I have turned a new leaf and just spit facts. But they always come back as them being one sided lol. And always tell me to research. But that's where I get my facts plus real life experience . That's what they need, they live in a fantasy world of the internet never really compiling facts from real world experience. They truly believe everything they read on the internet. Now mind you they are very smart. Both graduated from PSU with GPA of 3.9 and 3.8. I call them dumbasses all the time and invite them to my world. They just cannot handle cold hard facts unless its found from a leftist source.
 

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I'm not like that. If this was 15yrs ago when I had a different mind set, someone who speaks to me the way liberals of there stature speaks to me would have busted teeth. Plain and simple. But I have turned a new leaf and just spit facts. But they always come back as them being one sided lol. And always tell me to research. But that's where I get my facts plus real life experience . That's what they need, they live in a fantasy world of the internet never really compiling facts from real world experience. They truly believe everything they read on the internet. Now mind you they are very smart. Both graduated from PSU with GPA of 3.9 and 3.8. I call them dumbasses all the time and invite them to my world. They just cannot handle cold hard facts unless its found from a leftist source.
What I was trying to say. Don't argue with them, it is not a fact based discussion. Maybe throw a zinger out and chuckle. Then move on. My wife's side are leftists and used to constantly bring things up or throw out a quip. They no longer bring anything up and all is peaceful.
 

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What I was trying to say. Don't argue with them, it is not a fact based discussion. Maybe throw a zinger out and chuckle. Then move on. My wife's side are leftists and used to constantly bring things up or throw out a quip. They no longer bring anything up and all is peaceful.
I just can't stand double standard type personalities. How are you going to cheer for people loosing there jobs because gas and oil are bad, but turn around and drive a truck as your DD and a mustang as your weekend car and also heat your 2000sq ft house with gas? It's mind blowing. Shit makes me want to headbutt liberals. Once my car is done providing gas isnt $5 gallon Im going to make my country proud and drive to lancaster where they live and lay the biggest damn mark I can in front of there house HAHA. It will make me feel good anyhow. Oh and probably only be getting 9mpg while doing so?
 

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I just can't stand double standard type personalities. How are you going to cheer for people loosing there jobs because gas and oil are bad, but turn around and drive a truck as your DD and a mustang as your weekend car and also heat your 2000sq ft house with gas? It's mind blowing. Shit makes me want to headbutt liberals. Once my car is done providing gas isnt $5 gallon Im going to make my country proud and drive to lancaster where they live and lay the biggest damn mark I can in front of there house HAHA. It will make me feel good anyhow. Oh and probably only be getting 9mpg while doing so?
Frustrating as hell - just keep bitching about the gas prices... unless they are totally clueless, they know what the cause is... My favorite when they even acknowledge some complete stupidity - "The people get what the people vote for".
 

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Question:

Do they have any alternatives to tow the Camper? Do they have any alternatives to natural gas to heat their home?

Short answer: No not really.

I think the people beating the drum of changing away from fossil fuels probably drive/use them in most cases. The difference is they're asking for alternative options. Whereas Lindsey Graham drinks a hot cup of crud oil every morning. I'd bet dollars to donuts if Ford had an all electric towing capable F150, they'd drive that.
 

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Those giant windmills that people seem to love so much are a net negative; they don't make enough energy in their lifetime to make up for all the energy/materials that go in to making them

"Nothing makes me question ALL of my life decisions like SVTP."

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Question:

Do they have any alternatives to tow the Camper? Do they have any alternatives to natural gas to heat their home?

Short answer: No not really.

I think the people beating the drum of changing away from fossil fuels probably drive/use them in most cases. The difference is they're asking for alternative options. Whereas Lindsey Graham drinks a hot cup of crud oil every morning. I'd bet dollars to donuts if Ford had an all electric towing capable F150, they'd drive that.
From what I am hearing Ford is going to be releasing a all electric F150. What people fail to realize though is that to produce this one vehicle, it will cause more pollution that producing a gas vehicle. Not to mention those batteries cannot be recycled. So where do they end up? The landfill. I am wondering if my wifes aunt and uncle will be selling there fleet off real cheap now. His mustang is very nice with a pile of upgrades and only 8k miles. I'll offer him 2 chickens and a goat as fair renewable resource trades they so demand.
 

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From what I am hearing Ford is going to be releasing a all electric F150. What people fail to realize though is that to produce this one vehicle, it will cause more pollution that producing a gas vehicle. Not to mention those batteries cannot be recycled. So where do they end up? The landfill. I am wondering if my wifes aunt and uncle will be selling there fleet off real cheap now. His mustang is very nice with a pile of upgrades and only 8k miles. I'll offer him 2 chickens and a goat as fair renewable resource trades they so demand.

That argument is older than Rome

It took the industrial age pumping coal into the atmosphere to get where we are today. The reality is, to become 100% fossil fuel free, it will require leaning on fossil fuels to get there.

Before gasoline was prevalent, Electric, steam, coal trains, and horses/ox were still a thing. Other means of transport were used to develop/produce gasoline powered vehicles. Does that mean the developing platform is somehow inferior? No. It's just using one tool to sharpen another.

If you can't see that, I'm sorry. But much like coal power plants changing over, the reality is outgoing tech is generally leaned on until completely supplanted by the new and hopefully better tech.
 

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When it comes to the environment, many Liberals just look at how it makes them feel and not the bottom line. They don't care how their "environmentally friendly" sausage is made, as long as having it makes them feel good and bonus points if it lets them virtue signal to everyone else that they care more caring about the environment than you.
You can bring up the rare earth minerals required for making the batteries of their electric vehicle or the fact that most of our electricity is coming from coal/ natural gas and they don't care, electricity just comes from the outlet at their home. (We need to overhaul our electric grid badly, no matter if we keep ICE vehicles or use electric or a mixture, and invest in Nuke plants like the French if we want to make electric vehicles really work.)
Everyone wants clean air and water, but when it comes to actively being conservationist it's the guys out in the country that farm, ranch, and hunt I've found that are the most qualified. Conservation is an active part of their everyday life.
 

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That argument is older than Rome

It took the industrial age pumping coal into the atmosphere to get where we are today. The reality is, to become 100% fossil fuel free, it will require leaning on fossil fuels to get there.

Before gasoline was prevalent, Electric, steam, coal trains, and horses/ox were still a thing. Other means of transport were used to develop/produce gasoline powered vehicles. Does that mean the developing platform is somehow inferior? No. It's just using one tool to sharpen another.

If you can't see that, I'm sorry. But much like coal power plants changing over, the reality is outgoing tech is generally leaned on until completely supplanted by the new and hopefully better tech.
You are correct that old tech must be leaned on. At the same time you must also acknowledge that the amount of leaning currently is a net negative during this period.
 

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Writing has been on the wall for fossil fuel/ICE powertrains for awhile; probably back to the aggressive greenhouse gas targets set by the EPA under the Obama administration. As someone in the industry it's more or less a dead end. Everyone is full bore on electrification. Not much you can do about it.
 

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Take one look at the map of PA from the presidential election and you'll see what happened. The jobless, criminal, liberal leeches of SE PA put him into office. Although Pit. is a big city I am surprised.
 

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You are correct that old tech must be leaned on. At the same time you must also acknowledge that the amount of leaning currently is a net negative during this period.

Absolutely. I would not make an argument against that idea. The cost of maintaining an existing technology while simultaneously supporting its replacement is going to net negative. Doesn't mean that the results are negative though.
 

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Take one look at the map of PA from the presidential election and you'll see what happened. The jobless, criminal, liberal leeches of SE PA put him into office. Although Pit. is a big city I am surprised.
I agree. My wife is from Bucks County just outside Philly and cringes when she seen the electoral map. Pitt, Philly and Scranton dictate our state elections. Wolfe had that changed the year the state election was coming. Im about 40min West of Wilkes and it is very heavily Conservative populated, with what was once a gas and oil thriving area. Can't say that so much as of this week..
 

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Found this interesting and somewhat related to OP

As an example, the second largest refinery in the United States, Marathon Oil’s GaryVille Louisiana facility, can handle over 520,000 barrels a day (bpd) of heavy sour crude from places like Mexico and Canada but can’t handle sweet domestic crude from New Mexico.


Thus the reason for the Keystone Pipeline or increased rail transport - to get heavy tar sand crude to refineries in the American Midwest and along the Gulf Coast than can handle it.


Recently, Shell’s Baytown refinery in Texas, the largest in the nation, was expanded to 600,000 bpd. Most of the big refineries can handle heavy crude, but many smaller refineries can process only light to intermediate crude oil, most of which originates within the U.S.

However, in the 1990s after production of sweet domestic crude had significantly declined from mid-century highs, the big companies like Exxon, Shell, CITCO and Valero spent billions upon billions of dollars to retool their refineries to handle foreign heavy crudes like Alberta tar sands.

A rail tank car carries about 30,000 gallons (÷ 42 gallons/barrel = about 700 barrels). A train of 100 cars carries about 3 million gallons (70,000 barrels) and takes over 3 days to travel from Alberta to the Gulf Coast, about a million gallons per day. The Keystone will carry about 35 million gallons per day (830,000 barrels). This puts pressure on rail transport to get bigger and bigger, and include more cars per train, the very reason that crude oil train wrecks have dramatically increased lately.


The Congressional Research Service estimates that transporting crude oil by pipeline is cheaper than rail, about $5/barrel versus $10 to $15/barrel. But rail is more flexible and has 140,000 miles of track in the United States compared to 57,000 miles of crude oil pipelines. Building rail terminals to handle loading and unloading is a lot cheaper, and less of a hassle, than building and permitting pipelines.

Which Is Safer For Transporting Crude Oil: Rail, Truck, Pipeline Or Boat?

 

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Those giant windmills that people seem to love so much are a net negative; they don't make enough energy in their lifetime to make up for all the energy/materials that go in to making them

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Take one look at the map of PA from the presidential election and you'll see what happened. The jobless, criminal, liberal leeches of SE PA put him into office. Although Pit. is a big city I am surprised.


Ha, Pittsburgh is 6:1 D to R ratio. We've had "Bike Lane" Bill Peduto as our Mayor and he's now running, likely unopposed, for a 3rd term. There hasn't been a republican mayor in over 70 years. Allegheny county is as Blue as Bucks County. Those two (and Erie this past election) are solely why PA went Blue instead of Red this election.
 

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