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  1. Formula51

    Formula51 Active Member Established Member

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    Found where you got your list and a lot has changed in just a month. I'm not a fan of that sight though in general. There's 20 people faster than 13.3 already. I would say that's pretty good and we are seeing some more 110.x and 109.x trap speeds.

    1. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
    2. nhra stocker - 12.62 @ 110.30, (LS3, M6)
    3. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
    4. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
    5. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
    6. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
    7. blufin - 13.03 @ 109.20 mph, (LS3, M6)
    8. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)
    9. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
    10. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)
    11. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
    12. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)
    13. 8secpumpgas - 13.11 @ 106.38 mph, (L99, A6)
    14. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)
    15. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
    16. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
    17. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
    18. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
    19. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
    20. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
    21. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
    22. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
    23. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
    24. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
    25. PwrTrip - 13.41 @ 105.01 mph, (L99, A6)
    26. Kaler - 13.44 @ 108.64 mph, (L99, A6)
    27. Grand Pa - 13.46 @ 104.92 mph, (L99, A6)
    28. Don 0 - 13.50 @ 104.07 mph, (L99, A6)
    29. SS/RS - 13.54 @ 107.44 mph (LS3, M6), (DA +1187 ft.)
    30. BLT4SPD - 13.58 @ 96.34 mph, (L99, A6)
     
  2. mebetter

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    Thx for the links. The times that Ford magazines are running with the gt 500's are a little fishy to me. Especially with the ice packs and electric fans. I want to believe it as I love the GT 500's they are my favorite new cars but that is too much of a stretch for me it just doesn't add up. If a KR with 3.73 gears and stickier rubber is just barely cracking into the 11.9s. How does the 2010 with 3.55 gears and less stickier stock rubber do it. Also they are power shifting, I don't know about you but I would never power shift my $50,000 car and I doubt a reasonable driver would either. Good times though it definitely shows the potential of the car.
     
  3. Cobra 6245

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    With over 420 hp it seems like everyone is having a hard time getting these things out of the 13s stock. I see why at alot of my friends who favor GM products don't care much for the 2010 Camaro.
     
  4. Formula51

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    Yep, a heavy car with bad gearing will do that regardless of if it has over 400hp. A 01-02' F-body with lid and catback (basically everyone has) seams to run about as fast as the new Camaro. Even trap speeds are close. Then again, at some point $30k cars plateau in terms of straightline performance and start to focus more on quality, ride, handling, content, etc. Maybe that level is right around high 12's/low 13's.

    It will be interesting to see where these cars go from here, but I just can't imagine low 12 second factory $30k cars. Something will happen to stop that I think, whether its safety standards, insurance, gas prices, or CAFE standards. I just don't see regular Camaro's and Mustang's getting too much faster.
     
  5. ChiSVT

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    I see what you're saying, but if the DA was that good I'd expect it to show in the trap speeds as well. In general V8, M6, RWD cars don't run that kind of ET with that trap on factory tires. I remember a couple freak LS1 fbodys trapping 109mph+ but no way would they get close to 12.6s. That's in a much lighter car that's geared better. That's an amazing time though, it will be interesting to see if he can back it up.

    It's an interesting list, a lot of the quickest cars still have the same traps as the 13.1-13.4 second cars which seems strange. I'm also surprised to see a couple of the L99s running those times.

    Give me a break dude, I bet you wouldn't have anything to say when MM&FF ran 12s in a stock LS1 fbody. They know how to drive, whether it's Ford or GM they turn great times. Motor trend trapped 118mph as well as others, that proves the power is there to run low 12s / high 11s if you drive the shit out of it in great conditions. Also, a forum member backed it up by running 12.0s. This may come to shock to you but GM isn't the only platform capable of turning out of the ordinary impressive times.

    What's interesting is to compare the LS1 fbody fast list to the new Camaro, they're not that far apart at all. ;-)
     
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    A mustang magazine claiming times they are .4-.5 faster than every other magazine is very suspicious. If a tobacco company came out and said their product has been proven to not cause cancer like the competition wouldn't you find that suspicious as well. The bottom line is a Ford magazine will be bias, you don't go to a Ford magazine for unbias information about the power a Ford car is making. I love GT 500's I would take one over a non z06 vette, a camaro, and even a ctsv but I seriously doubt the 11 second numbers those magazines have got.
     
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    Like I said 3 times, another forum member ran 12.0s too, lethal ran 12.4s in hot humid conditions with no cool down their first time out. On top of that, like I've already stated, motortrend trapped 118mph+, they spun all the way down the track and ran like a [email protected]+. That means they couldn't drive for shit! Evan Smith isn't a typical idiot magazine driver, there is nothing suspicious about it. 118mph+ traps = low 12s/high 11s if you know how to drive, and he knows how to drive!

    BTW, they are not as bias as you think, if you ever bothered to read their tests and articles. When they tested LS1 fbodys they went on to say how pathetic the Mustang GT was in comparison. They call it how it is, and Mustangs aren't the only platform they have posted quick times for.
     
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    Evan Smith is to Mustangs what Ranger is to Corvettes.
     
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    If a 425 hp Camaro can run mid to high 12s then don't you think a 500 hp mustang could hit 11s?
     
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    Ill answer it for you for him since he seems to be gm bias no, thats what I love the gt500 has 100+more hp and weighs as much as camaro and people are saying how it runs 12's,I dont see how its hard to belive to get a 500-540hp car to run deep 11's with tire and 11's and 12's bone stock,lol when people claim mid to high 12's out of the 400hp 100+less hp just as heavy chevy lol
     
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    REPLY:Look around I sent you more then 1 link 3 links, and few guys on here have gotten low low 12's, and even spinning down the track magazine have gotten as high as 118-120mph traps out of stock gt500's and average seem to be 113-115mph, thats more then enough traps speed to run mid to low 12's and break into 11's, look up timeslips of many 11 sec cars off here they all trap 113-120 or so ;) that trap shows they have 11's in them stock, there down fall is heavy 3800- 4,000lb curb weight and need better tire / drive mod, hence why they went from high high 11's low 12's down to mid to low 11's with just tire and drive mod in the magazine run :poke:

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    Exactly, mmff have run mid to low 13's and high 12's in a ls1 2002 camaro aswell and Evan smith admitted the gt and bullit wasnt enough to take down 1 you need to call the big brother cobra as john colleti said
    "When your GT,Bullit or mach 1 isnt enough for them pesky LS1 CAMAROS,Call big brother Cobra he will take care of them" and I think they even got 12's out of a 2002 e46 bmw m3 with the 333hp, it wa 1 of the editors daily driver.:rockon:


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    x2 this is true like the saying goes for my quote
    " Evan Smith driving a car makes it no longer stock"



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    They do the fans and ice packs because its a blower car itwas hot day and the car gets hottlapped and they want to cool it down, the stock blowers and the car overheats,This is true thats why we said its not " normal joes" times, Evan Smith is like John force racing and getting fastest time possible out of stock car, and its magazine they ofcourse wanna power shift and beat the piss out of it its not there car they do everything possible to get fastest stock ET ,and if you read my link they admitted the kr was little faster and easy to run the 11's because of the stickier tire and gears, they were running 12.4-12.6 @ first in the bone stock reg gt500,but dont forget the 2008gt 500kr has the 540hp same as the new reg 2010 gt500 has ;) not 500hp like the reg 2007-2008 gt500.
     
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    Evan Smith can just friggin DRIVE.. not just Mustangs either..
     
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    Well considering that same mustang magazine driver, Evan Smith, has produced some of the fastest times for the fbody I wouldn't exactly call them bias :dw:
     
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    It's a common tactic to show the strength of the competitors and then to show how your product is better. They say look we have run a 12.8 with a ls1 camaro it's much faster than the less expensive mustang gt and mach 1, but now we have a cobra which is the same price but it runs 12.4. Yep I would still call that bias news; why else would they be trying to advertise the 1/4 mile times of the competitors unless they were making a point to show ways their own company was superior. :pop:
     
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    Same Price?? What are you talking about? An M1 was near 30K and the GT and Z28 were within 500 bucks of one another. You do realize the 2003 Cobra wasn't available when that article was written right? (If memory serves it was 2001 during the Mustang Bullitt review.)
     
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    Pretty sure the 03-04 cobra was designed to end all competition between the mustangs and F-body's. I'm also pretty sure they stopped making the camaro in 2002. Also the 03 cobras came out in 2002 as well, and i'm pretty sure that's why they are called terminators was because they were supposed to terminate the competition of the f-bodys. And yes some F-body's were selling well into the 30's particularly the verts. So what am I talking about? I'm talking about the fact that the 03-04 cobras were designed to be a direct competitor to GM's ls1 cars.
     
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    The LS1 is a badass motor, the LS3 is nice too, but they need to put the camaro on a diet
     
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    +1
     
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    Allow me to create a timeline (that you for some reason have no concept of?)

    1999 - GMHTP Tests a 1999 Camaro Z28... Evan Smith runs 12.8 @ 108mph
    2001 - MM&FF Tests a 2001 Camaro SS... Evan Smith runs 12.9 @ 107mph
    2002 - Ford release year for 2003 Cobra.

    Please explain how MM&FF was using the Camaro as a tactic to promote the 2003 Cobra in 2001 or back in 1999. (Keep in mind even IF they a 2003 Cobra had existed at the time the SS tested was 26K.. not sure how that makes it the same price? [2003 Cobra Base Price: $33,125]) Maybe you can explain these things to me?
     
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    REPLY:This is true, but They had Evan smith drive both cars being his driver mod, so it wasnt just good driving in the mustang, because they didnt want to favor the mustang, which every 1 is trying to tell you, alot of times magazines run on a gps and have 2 diff drivers in both cars and run crappy times or hype up there car to favor 1 or the other , which evan smith did not like, alot of times mags do like to favor cars cough road and track hates mustangs that always bad mouth them and favor chevy etc.


    Also, I have one of 1st 03 cobra vs ss camaro. issue I belive its July 2002 issue of mm&ff when they ran the 03 cobra with evan smith driving he got a stock 03 to run as fast as [email protected] I belive, and he backed it up with 2 other 12 sec runs of [email protected] and and [email protected] I belive if my memory corrects me, and a few hott lapped low low 13'[email protected],he then ran the camaro ss and he was running [email protected] and 13.1 and 13.2. He drove both to show he wasnt favoring the mustang, and he even explained both cars could of went faster so side note they showed an older article 1999 he ran 12's with a stock ss and side note on the last page of this article I belive he ran the editors daily driver a stock 2002 e46 m3 with the 3.2 inline 6 333hp and he even got 12's out of that bone stock.and later on in 2003 I belive he ran 12.4 and 12.6 in a stock 03 cobra.


    and they even dynoed both cars to show chevy and ford lied about what power both cars made which is why they both could run faster times then expected the camaro ss was rated 325crankhp and it dynoed about 300rwhp, and the 03 cobra was rated 390 crank hp and it was dynoing 360-390rwhp stock, so the camaro was more like 330-350hp and the 03 cobra was prob more like 425hp stock.

    reply:I remember all these,and I remeber all these ss owners shitting themselves argueing " see they run 12's " stock we have 40-80+less hp/tq then a 03 cobra with a blower and we still run as fast, but the 03 cobra was still running mid to high 12's and had a good 2-5+mph on the slowmaros, the 03 was trapping 110-113 bone stock mid to high 12's the ls1 was running high high 12's to low 13's some mid to high 13's as well in stock auto's and verts and z28's etc . The cobras were trapping as low as 109-110mph running 12 sec 1/4 and as high as 111-113 stock, vs the camaros were running low 13's high 12's best most in the mid to high 13's trapping anywhere from as low as 103 as high as 107-108,So I remember all the hype in summer of 2002- 2003 the cobra hurt alot of camaro owners feelings esp when a mustang was running corvette times stock now lol and faster then the camaro lol


    I wont forget when my friend had just bought his bone stock cobra that summer of 2002 he was 1of the few to have 1 out, and he had tons of ss guys coming up to him going crazy wanting to run 1! a guy walked up who had top of the line 2001 ss slp camaro and said how he wasnt scared and smokes cobras stock or bolt on , that his ss can run 12's stock 2, My friend raced that ss prob 20 times he even payed my friend to fill it up with gas after 2 hours of runs, he was so pissed he lost to a bone stock mustang

    and that my friends in summer of 2002 is when Tables turned for the chevy guys and ford took away chevys stock ls1 balls HAHA
    :):rockon:
     
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