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  1. blk02edge

    blk02edge Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I didn't realize they are still making them until 2022.. I thought there was 500 max so yea, my 800k seems quite off
     
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    ON D BIT Finish First Established Member

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    The first ones legal to sell are coming to market soon. It’s been two years since first delivery. When it was technically illegal to sell the car, market was above $2 mill because black market raised value significantly. Now you can but the after the 2 year contract price will drop. $1.1/1.2 should be the norm for a bit then drop below $1.

    I would not be surprised if they are at $700/800 for a few years before they start to rise once production stops.

    GT2RS: Yes. Will double in value.
    600LT: No. bad ass driver but owners will lose money.
     
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    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    I don't disagree with your assessment on the Porsche or McLaren.

    But by 2022, the new FGT will be a huge underperformer compared to modern day super cars. I do not believe it will remain as collectible as the 2005/06s.
     
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    98 svt Premium Member Premium Member Established Member

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    I am behind this statement 100%.
    It's just all the hype right now as they are not able to exchange hands. Like dangling a steak in front of a pack of hungry Rottweilers.
     
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  5. ON D BIT

    ON D BIT Finish First Established Member

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    Underperformance? Like that of the Laferrari or 918?

    They have more performance comparatively than the 05/06, the racing heritage the 05/06 never will. We still don’t know how fast they are. Yes there are newer faster cars today but that is par for the course.
     
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    I generally value your opinion but I can say quite confidently that basing its value on performance is dead wrong. Example, the C6Z beating the 05 GT in many magazine tests and in the real world. Unless the global economy goes into a brutal recession I dont see this car touching msrp.
     
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    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    I'm not basing it purely on performance.

    When Ford came out with the 05/06, it was basically for homage sake. They wanted to celebrate beating Ferrari in the 60s.
    When Ford came out with the 17/22, it was to compete in racing. They wanted to show the world that they could still produce a super car.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty confident these cars will settle to the $500-600k mark and that's the end of the road.
     
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    Meh, I’ll take the 05/06 model for that price over this one.


    Pick your poison.
     
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    There are already several cars that are over 2 years old and available to be sold. I doubt you'll see many trade hands until early fall when production finally started hitting 15-20 a month. Most of the dealers that were awarded a car will sell them immediately, as will a lot of the people that got them as suppliers, partners etc. It'll most likely do what the 05/06 did, which is drop a lot while cars are in production and being re-sold, then when they are done, go back up. GT will end up being almost exactly the same volume over the same production time as the F40. Ultimately though, who gives a ****. The commodification of supercars is super boring.

    People also don't understand the market split on this car. The 05/06 there were 4,038 cars, 101 in Europe, couple hundred in Canada, ~3700 the U.S. This car will maybe be 800-900 U.S, 300-ish Europe, maybe another 200 sprinkled globally throughout Canada, Middle East, Mexico, Asia, etc. I've been at the production facility at times when there are literally no U.S cars in production, and that happened exactly once in 06 when FVMSS killed it for the U.S market.

    I'm agnostic about statistical performance. The car is faster than 99% of drivers who will ever drive it already. What can be judged behind the wheel regardless of ability is that the GT is a very different kind of car to everything else on the market. The road car is an afterthought relative to the race car, and it feels that way. I tell people the new car is the right amount of wrong; it's the rawest car on the market and it's in the cars' DNA. My biggest criticism of the car is they bothered attempting to civilize it at all. It's inherently never going to be civilized so I would have gone polar opposite and made it totally unlivable. My desire to putter around in extremely fast supercars that could be confused for daily drivers is very, very low.

    Oh and I think it's one of the best looking cars of all time.
     
  10. GTSpartan

    GTSpartan Yield right!!!! Established Member

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    Given that a race car version was the primary focus, was a center driving position ever considered for the car? Hell, leave it a single seater. Most owners probably wouldn’t have complained too much about that. I think the car would look even more fantastic configured that way.

    I am very surprised that it hasn’t been done more.
     
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    Nah. I think center seat probably screws with U.S crash, at least based on Speedtail only being available as show and display.

    Some day I will write a book. Pre-GT they had a program called Silver to run same powertrain, CF-tub homologation special Mustang at Le Mans in 16. It looked pretty cool but I thought the idea was insane. Made it to the 12th floor and then got axed. Lost a bunch of time before they decided oh hey well let's race a GT at Le Mans. That sequence of events and the reduction in development time available had a lot of after effects on the GT road car.
     
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    Bidding halted at $450k ;)
     
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    DBK Re-retired Established Member

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    Nope.
     
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    Oh I'm sorry, the bidding went to $450k.
    Either way that is nowhere near $1M+ that was suggested.
     
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    EBay is a virtually totally useless barometer of vehicle prices, and it gets more useless as the market value of the car increases. The same car actually traded hands 6 months ago for $1.3 million.
     
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    Right, that was the current market price 6 months ago.
    Right now, the current market price is $450k apparently. Anyone whom was looking to buy one damn well knew that was for sale on eBay.
    Like I said earlier, more will be available for sale rather soon, and I think the others are just waiting for more to be up for sale for more of a selection/lower price.
     
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    If I were going to try and sell a high dollar car and wanted to get a lot of advertisement for my buck, I would list it on eBay, start the bidding at a low price and require an absurd reservation. Any serious and qualified buyer would contact me after the auction with their best offer and the car would get sold without eBay taking a bite of the sell.
     
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    Snoopy49 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Who was the original owner?
     
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    DBK Re-retired Established Member

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    This is a super bad understanding.
     
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    Literally exactly what happens.
     
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