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  1. 72MachOne99GT

    72MachOne99GT Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I’m union at work. Not a particularly big fan of it, but I recognize if the company wasn’t unionized that I would probably make half what I make now and would have zero job protection.

    There are a few chodes that have been fired and brought back because of the union. For the most part though the union only has so much pull. If the company wants to violate the contract they’ll do it and just file the grievances into a backlog of clustershit.
     
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  2. BlckBox04

    BlckBox04 I am the liquor Established Member

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    The construction industry is booming right now in jersey. If you have the skill and knowledge you can kill it, union or non.
     
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  3. Mpoitrast87

    Mpoitrast87 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    One again. May be area dependent. There is literally no difference from being a union carpenter and being a non union carpenter for example. Only difference is union guy makes more money. Advancement opportunities are the same and if you don't work you fired/laid off.
     
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  4. blownstang4.6

    blownstang4.6 Active Member Established Member

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    I know a pharmacist who works for the VA with $300k of student loan debt that she acquired over her educational career. Not sure I completely agree with this forgiveness stuff. Great for someone who is in those shoes.
     
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    coposrv Well-Known Member Established Member

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  6. Crimson2v

    Crimson2v Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I am not fond of debt forgiveness either because not everyone receives that benefit and you are the one you agreed to pay it back. With that kind of education I’m sure those folks are making way more than those who have to pay it back.
     
  7. STAMPEDE3

    STAMPEDE3 SAULS BROTHER Staff Member Super Moderator

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    ^The reason a F250 cost 82K
    The dude on a golf cart running nuts and bolts to the assembly line make $45 a damn hour.

    What's he do?

    This, Protecting the dead heads.

    Non union here makes more. Probably to keep from going union.

    Here they make the same or most unions are a little less. Advancement goes to those who deserve (Or know someone) but the union once again protects the deadheads who don't do shit. As somoe who worked his ass off I hated the deadheads.
     
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    Coiled03 Well-Known Member Premium Member Established Member

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    No, it's not area dependent. Promoting based on seniority, NOT skill or knowledge, is a fundamental tenet of unions no matter where you go, or what industry. If you try to tell me promotional opportunities are the same, or try to tell me union people get laid off just the same as non-union, I'm calling 100% BS. If those things were true, there would be no benefit to the union at all except pay. And if THAT were actually true, union crews wouldn't get any work because they'd be more expensive for the same work.
     
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  9. Mpoitrast87

    Mpoitrast87 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Hes a carpenter in Boston
     
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    Mpoitrast87 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Promotions are given on a several factors. Biggest factor is credentials and certifications. My brothers company is currently looking for a supervisor. No one has the needed credentials for it so he is taking classes to get what he needs so he can get the job. That applies to any company, union or non union. Some unions may protect deadheads but most do not. I know many laid off union guys, they were laid off because they are lazy. You don't work or put in any effort then you're gone. Pay is the biggest reason join unions. Why would I want to work for $28 an hour when I can get $48 an hour and a pension doing the same exact job? no brainer to me.
     
  11. 72MachOne99GT

    72MachOne99GT Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I’d venture to guess that is rare. But maybe not.

    My field is almost entirely unionized, and has been for quite some time. Generally only smaller rail carriers are non-union.

    And those guys make less and get their butts ridden hard.
     
  12. BlckBox04

    BlckBox04 I am the liquor Established Member

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    I mean you really have to be lazy to get pushed out of a union
     
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    If it brings more exposure and prospective talent to the hiring pool of trade based jobs in all for it.
     
  14. mysticsvt

    mysticsvt southernmustangandford Premium Member Established Member

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    We need less worthless paper degrees and more "Ditch Diggers". I work at Bosch where they have a trade program of 2 years. You get paid and they train you. They will send you to college for certain portions needed such as math. I'm retired Navy so I'm already an old man but there are literately teens here making $30.00 an hour. Many are here for their entire work life. With high schools pushing College and have been for decades there is definitely a need for skilled labor.
     
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    mysticsvt southernmustangandford Premium Member Established Member

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    I'll tell you why....because I'd be sell my country out if I joined a union. I am so anti-union it isn't even funny. They belong in the history books where they were REALLY needed. I dealt with the union pushing their way into Boeing here in Charleston for years. Nobody should have a right to tell a company how to conduct business. If YOU owned a company would YOU want your employees to be in a union? Wanna know why so many jobs are leaving America...UNIONS.
     
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    Mpoitrast87 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    If a company provided good pay and benefits then maybe unions wouldn't have to tell companies what to do.
     
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    mysticsvt southernmustangandford Premium Member Established Member

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    If you don't like said company's benefits and pay go somewhere else. That's how that works.
     
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    jeffh81 Never Leaving Established Member

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    Get out of here with common sense
     
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  20. Mpoitrast87

    Mpoitrast87 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    you would have to leave MA to find that. Easy for me, but not for families.

    and exactly. A lot of people go somewhere else. Union.
     

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