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Discussion in '2020+ Shelby GT500 Mustang' started by 4VFTW, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. tt335ci03cobra

    tt335ci03cobra Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Well, we’ll know soon.
     
  2. blk02edge

    blk02edge Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I just found/watched the video of the ACR's record Grattan lap, I didnt realize what a shithole that place is. Keeping that in mind with the extreme benefit of the gt500's dampers over the ACR's conventional and very over sprung rate for that surface... I am actually not suprised the 500 could be faster...
     
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  3. LostM

    LostM Well-Known Member Established Member

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    whats the over/under your willing to bet? I mean, we are comparing a pony car to a "race car with a license plate" yet.. it DID in fact take one of the ACRs records, did it not?

    but did it already take 1?
    *HAD

    oddly, that honda, a 6spd, was waaaaaay faster than your auto TT coyote wasnt it :) It ran 9s all day, even with lifting heads mid track ( 9.4/153 HG at 1100ft) .. and mph'd enough to rip the paint off your doors :(

    back to the magazine articles for you
     
  4. blk02edge

    blk02edge Well-Known Member Established Member

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    So you want to bet that the 500 will take the track record on laguna seca, road atlanta and VIR? I have that right?
    So beat;
    1:28 at LS
    1:26 at RA
    and 2:40 on VIR..
     
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  5. AustinJ427

    AustinJ427 Well-Known Member Established Member Beer Money Bros.

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    If the GT500 goes within 3 seconds of the ACR at VIR I will be floored.
     
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  6. blk02edge

    blk02edge Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Shhhh, go away, im trying to conduct business.

    Seriously though, I think it will be in the realm of 3 seconds. Beating it though... That is a bet id love to shake hands on
     
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  7. 13COBRA

    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    I would guess within 5 seconds.
     
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  8. AustinJ427

    AustinJ427 Well-Known Member Established Member Beer Money Bros.

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    Certainly more realistic.

    It would be so easy for Ford to have a little video of Billy holding his phone, saying "Hey I'm Billy Johnson, check out the new GT500." And then have a 3 minute long video of him running a hot lap with the Vbox in view around VIR.

    It would be unfair because the lap time would be faster than any journalist, but it would be cool.
     
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  9. 13COBRA

    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    100% agree.

    Can you imagine though? Even within 5 seconds would be unreal. This thing weighs OVER 4000#.
     
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    AustinJ427 Well-Known Member Established Member Beer Money Bros.

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    Lol she thicc
     
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  11. Voltwings

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    Screw the weight, you just can't compare a mid engine (Viper engine sits behind the front shocks, right?) and double wishbone car to a Macpherson strut with part of a supercharged DOHC V8 hanging over the front axle... I think the GT500 will be close, and I have no doubt it defies physics to some extent, but at some point physics is simply just physics and no amount of anything will get you past that.
     
  12. 13COBRA

    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    It is mid-engine.
     
  13. GTSpartan

    GTSpartan Yield right!!!! Established Member

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    The real advantage for the ACR is repeatable hot laps without performance degradation.
     
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  14. gimmie11s

    gimmie11s Handlebar mustaches... PSSHHH! Established Member Established Member

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    Excatly.

    This is where the FI cars usually run into trouble.
     
  15. 13COBRA

    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    Completely agree, that's one of the reasons I love my ACR.

    Last month there was a ZL1 1LE at the track with me...and he was consistently 5-6 seconds a lap slower for the first 10-15 minutes of the session, then fell off to almost 10 seconds a lap at the end, while I either maintained or sped up.
     
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  16. GTSpartan

    GTSpartan Yield right!!!! Established Member

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    It's pretty obvious that the 500 will be an absolute hero lap monster. Anyone who disputes that is living in denial. With that being said, at some point, physics gets its way, and 2 tons + takes its toll.
     
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    I'm not calling you or anybody out on the weight pulling thing, I am just saying that it is not easy to remove that amount of weight out of this car or any car and keep some resemblance of the intent of the car from the factory.

    Tell me, where do you think the 500 lbs. are going to come from out of this car??? You pull the pass. seat, strip out all the trunk stuff and what else??? That's not 500 lbs. You're lucky if it's even close to 50-70 lbs.

    Again, the normal person that scrapes together the $100k+ to buy this car IS NOT going to empty the contents of this car to lose that amount of weight that's all I'm saying. Sure, you have the rich folks that have the cash and don't care and in that case sure go ti and magnesium, CF everything if you can find items made in those materials to replace what you pull out. Whether you can do it or not doesn't matter it's not realistic to the majority of people here so simply suggesting "lose 500 lbs. out of this car" is total BS IMO.

    Mentioning the Bugatti here is comical, if you're playing with $2M cars this car to those people is like me buying a Ford Festiva to play with.

    The GTR thing, Nissan, other Japanese auto manufacturers that have a decent history in auto racing and most European auto makes have always done more with less. The American big 3 always have had the history of big...…………….bigger engines, bigger hp, bigger cars. They've always relied on big to compete and at times beat the Asian and Euro makes in competition, but other times they weren't able to get the job done. Bigger isn't always better as they say.

    The 08 GTR had the power, handling, and the tech at that time to defy logic in automobile performance even with its heavy weight, an 08 Shelby wasn't even close in performance to the same model year GTR. Ford with the new GT500 is kinda tapping into that technology like what you mentioned and obviously it shows promise...……………...we just need to know the rest of the stats of this car to truly grasp the total performance it offers BUT...……………….there's a reason why a GTR is nicknamed "Godzilla"...………….Godzilla this Shelby is not!!!!
     
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    Ive seen drivers heat soak... Was this guy perhaps a heavy fella? Our 1LE fleet does really well with heat managment.
     
  20. 13COBRA

    13COBRA Resident Ford Dealer Premium Member Established Member

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    Not really. He was in his 50s, and has been tracking for a long time. This is his 5th or 6th dedicated track car.

    It was 90+ degrees, and he said after his first 15 minutes of the session he could feel a loss of power on the straights that was extremely noticeable.
     

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