How much HP do you think this setup has... (G35 TT)

[5 ltr. beater]

None of that shit matters at this point. I can have a 2 door V8 until the day I die and I'm only 21. This revolutionary change and move towards efficiency that you're talking about is not gonna affect that fact..

.....two words: Obama and C.A.R.B. sorry to dissappoint you.......its ok though.....if you take your head out from under the hood of your V8 for just a few seconds and read Obama's future energy plan for the U.S. you'll wanna return your V8 promptly.

Trust me when I say that 25 years from now I'll still be able to drive around in a nice American V8 making tons of power, even if I have to scrap it together myself. So to start buying smaller engine cars now because at some random point in the future the others will "die off" is stupid. .

random? the only thing random here is you ability to make sense. which only takes place in the quote you made after the retarded one above...

Any engine can make tons of HP if you throw enough $$$$$ at it but that's not the point. The point is that VQ engines suck ass for performance unless you dump everything you've got into them.

^^^^^^^^^^
this makes sense. congratulations! you're on your way! atta' boy!

I'll stick with large displacement V8's. Oh and as far as environmentally friendly, my vette got better MPG than most of the cars on the road which is why I'll be buying another one soon.
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do you even know what "enviromentally friendly" means? it has nothing to do with MPG! :lol: :lol:

..here....lemme help you:

Environmentally friendly (also eco-friendly, nature friendly, and green) are synonyms used to refer to services, laws, guidelines and policies considered to inflict minimal or no harm on the environment.

 

[Seraphus]

.....two words: Obama and C.A.R.B. sorry to dissappoint you.......its ok though.....if you take your head out from under the hood of your V8 for just a few seconds and read Obama's future energy plan for the U.S. you'll wanna return your V8 promptly.




random? the only thing random here is you ability to make sense. which only takes place in the quote you made after the retarded one above...




^^^^^^^^^^
this makes sense. congratulations! you're on your way! atta' boy!




do you even know what "enviromentally friendly" means? it has nothing to do with MPG! :lol: :lol:

..here....lemme help you:

Environmentally friendly (also eco-friendly, nature friendly, and green) are synonyms used to refer to services, laws, guidelines and policies considered to inflict minimal or no harm on the environment.

I know about CARB and have read obamas plans, however there are always loopholes and always will be. They had something similar after the 70's. Do you think people stopped driving their V8's cause some stupid liberals told them that there are going to be stricter emissions controls? hahah there are people today that are still driving the big block V8 they had in the 70's, so NO i'm not worried. CARB isn't for all states and Obama can't tell me to return my V8 or tell others not to sell theirs. If that happens then the car i'm driving will be the least of my worries cause i'll be first to lead the revolutionary movement against Socialism. :read:

According to the definition you posted there, NO car is environmentally friendly because every single car hurts the environment a LOT either during production or during use . . . way to drink the kool-aid. The fact that a car gets great MPG is a contributing factor of it being environmentally friendly. Using less gas = less oil = less oil refinment = green, how is that NOT part of being environmentally friendly?.

Either way i couldn't give a shit less about being "green" the Vette thing was actually a joke but that obviously went over your head, who the **** would buy a Vette just because it gets great MPG? That's not even a consideration for me lol. :lol:

 

[VictorySong]

I know about CARB and have read obamas plans, however there are always loopholes and always will be. They had something similar after the 70's. Do you think people stopped driving their V8's cause some stupid liberals told them that there are going to be stricter emissions controls? hahah there are people today that are still driving the big block V8 they had in the 70's, so NO i'm not worried. CARB isn't for all states and Obama can't tell me to return my V8 or tell others not to sell theirs. If that happens then the car i'm driving will be the least of my worries cause i'll be first to lead the revolutionary movement against Socialism. :read:

According to the definition you posted there, NO car is environmentally friendly because every single car hurts the environment a LOT either during production or during use . . . way to drink the kool-aid. The fact that a car gets great MPG is a contributing factor of it being environmentally friendly. Using less gas = less oil = less oil refinment = green, how is that NOT part of being environmentally friendly?.

Either way i couldn't give a shit less about being "green" the Vette thing was actually a joke but that obviously went over your head, who the **** would buy a Vette just because it gets great MPG? That's not even a consideration for me lol. :lol:

Dealing with people like that daily must suck ass. I feel sorry for all the car guys that live in CALI and have to listen to this garbage.:nonono:

 

[brainpa]

Ok well Ive been to S&R performance for a Wang Gang Dyno day.(Gay ass group that lose power with ported blowers) Anyways, Ive actually seen alot of their work in person and listen to the owners of these cars. Most of them have issues speaking an understandable english and I wouldnt take my car to them what so ever. Reminds me of Sam @ Coastal dyno.

Everyone nut swinging off of Sam then Hermann(HBH) came to town and then people started to change their minds about Sam. After Hermann went back up north they all jumped on S&Rs nuts. Its truly sad actually and I feel that they give alot of false information to their customers.

To add to what I have said before. I am speaking from what I have seen out at the street races from their average customers/builds. And as long as I live in Florida my car will be taken to Justin Starkey at VMP Tuning. These things cost to much money to have a half ass or piss poor toooner.....

Agree with everything, EXCEPT, I hope you are excluding HBH my friend....

 

[Mr370z]

Trust me when I say that 25 years from now I'll still be able to drive around in a nice American V8 making tons of power, even if I have to scrap it together myself.

Amen, I'll build a hot rod if necessary.

How many 500+hp 350z's do you see running around? I've only ever seen 4 of them and I live in one of the car meccas of the nation. My friend had a stillen supercharged 350z and would get smoked by I/E GTO's and stock vetts/gt500's all the time. So $6k+ got him jack shit lol. Then I got my stock C5Z and he immediately sold his car cause he couldn't stand the fact that I had a $24,000 car that would beat his FI'd VQ lol.

No offense to your friend but he's an idiot for buying a 350z to hang with a c5z06. Especially stupider to try and do it with a supercharger...the Stillen s/c for that car is PATHETIC :nonono:.

Any engine can make tons of HP if you throw enough $$$$$ at it but that's not the point. The point is that VQ engines suck ass for performance unless you dump everything you've got into them.

You're right, anything can make tons of horsepower if you have enough cash to play. Personally I don't think the VQ engines are TERRIBLE. There are definitely better choices to be had if money plays a big factor in your build (which it usually does unless you're super rich).

I agree with all you guys. I am not an idiot and attemping to talk my 370z up. No way. Contrary to everyone's assumption, most people did not buy a 370z so they can drag race and I am definitely one of these people. Remember guys, it's a Japanese sports car... not nearly as muscular as the American counterparts.

 

[Deuuuce]

And why did you even have that last quote Deuce lol

Oh duh, I quote the last one to start my post and forgot to erase it.

.....two words: Obama and C.A.R.B. sorry to dissappoint you.......

He'll be voted out of office before any real damage can be done from that standpoint.

If you take the demand of V8s with all the SUVs and trucks (foreign and domestic) which won't go away anytime soon, the V8 coupe will always exist as long as they do.

 

[Seraphus]

Dealing with people like that daily must suck ass. I feel sorry for all the car guys that live in CALI and have to listen to this garbage.:nonono:

It does suck. I'm so tired of all the liberal crap i have to wade through every single day. Especially the shit i gotta hear in school with the biased left proffessors. I'm counting down the days until i can move out of here. Most likely going to move to TX or AZ.

Amen, I'll build a hot rod if necessary.

Hell ya! :beer:

No offense to your friend but he's an idiot for buying a 350z to hang with a c5z06. Especially stupider to try and do it with a supercharger...the Stillen s/c for that car is PATHETIC :nonono:.

I think you misunderstood this part. He didn't buy it to keep up with my C5Z. He SOLD his after i got my Z. I do agree that the stillen SC's are a waste of money on those cars though. I told him to just do a turbo build instead but he didn't listen . . .

You're right, anything can make tons of horsepower if you have enough cash to play. Personally I don't think the VQ engines are TERRIBLE. There are definitely better choices to be had if money plays a big factor in your build (which it usually does unless you're super rich).

I agree with all you guys. I am not an idiot and attemping to talk my 370z up. No way. Contrary to everyone's assumption, most people did not buy a 370z so they can drag race and I am definitely one of these people. Remember guys, it's a Japanese sports car... not nearly as muscular as the American counterparts.

Don't get me wrong, the VQ engine isn't a terrible engine, it's just that i look at everything from a performance aspect and it that aspect it's not very high up on the list. I had an 08' G35 as a daily for two years and it was the best in it's class IMO. It's competition was the 3-series, the IS250 and the audi A4. The G35 blew those cars away IMO with all its standard features and its power. The engine runs nice and smooth and power delivery is great for a sixxer.

:rockon:

 

[Mr370z]

I think you misunderstood this part. He didn't buy it to keep up with my C5Z. He SOLD his after i got my Z. I do agree that the stillen SC's are a waste of money on those cars though. I told him to just do a turbo build instead but he didn't listen . . .

Oh I was mistaken, I thought he did it to compete with you. Yeah, he would have been a lot better off with a turbo build but I hope he's moved onto bigger and better things if wants a lot of power.

Don't get me wrong, the VQ engine isn't a terrible engine, it's just that i look at everything from a performance aspect and it that aspect it's not very high up on the list. I had an 08' G35 as a daily for two years and it was the best in it's class IMO. It's competition was the 3-series, the IS250 and the audi A4. The G35 blew those cars away IMO with all its standard features and its power. The engine runs nice and smooth and power delivery is great for a sixxer.

:rockon:

I think for what it is (n/a v6) it performs pretty adequately.. but in an overall performance category I agree that it's not in the top of my list either! They're still a blast to drive for sure. Tons of people love the G's, I actually read they're 50% of Infiniti's sales. It's not hard to see why! :rockon:

 

[5 ltr. beater]

wow.....where to begin...

I know about CARB and have read obamas plans, however there are always loopholes and always will be. They had something similar after the 70's.:

....something similar in the 70's?? what are you talking about? :lol: the mandatory SMOG check in CA became effective in 1984. or are you talking about the oil crisis of 1973? that had to do with the UAE witholding oil from the US in spite of a political move made by the US to help the Israeli's during the Yom Kippur war? for god's sake, i knew our public school system was bad, but man.....you got the worst of it! :nonono:
..and yes there are loopholes in the system...its called...paying more money to maintain your current ways. ;-)

Do you think people stopped driving their V8's cause some stupid liberals told them that there are going to be stricter emissions controls? hahah there are people today that are still driving the big block V8 they had in the 70's, so NO i'm not worried. .:

no people didnt stop driving their V8's. but it gave way for companies you may have heard of....ummm...let's see.....Toyota,Nissan, and Honda (are just a few) that gave American people the option and security, that if another oil crisis ever came around, they would be better prepared buy having a car that didnt get 8mpg but rather got maybe 15 to 20.
its ok to be ignorant. but when you claim to know what you're talking about...im just gonna keep slamming you! ;-)

CARB isn't for all states

Cailfornia Air Resource Board. how many seconds did it take you to figure that out? :bored:

and Obama can't tell me to return my V8 or tell others not to sell theirs. If that happens then the car i'm driving will be the least of my worries cause i'll be first to lead the revolutionary movement against Socialism. :read:

...if you didnt read Obamas future energy plan its ok...but you dont have to LIE about it. in layman's terms, over time when you go to register your vehicle, you'll be taxed harder for owning a V8 or anything above that. countries like Europe having been dealing with this for years. in europe the average joe only has a 4 or 5 cylinder because there is a larger tax attached for gross polluters. hence why turbo charging and turbodiesel's are very common over there since they have to make due with what they have.
when i say its gonna get bad..i mean its gonna get bad. especially when Obama set a mandatory 35mpg standard by the year 2020. you can keep playing the "im gonna do what i want....." game, but eventually, you'll be pissing your pants when i go to register my turbo-charged 4 cylinder that puts out the same HP as a V8 , but my registration fees will be a fraction of what you have to pay. :lol1:
heck, things are so bad that GM is going back to the drawing board on the future of the Corvette. its getting impossible for them to design a V8 that can get 35mpg. here's an article in Motortrend talking about it. they even mentioned that GM might go the same route the next generation BMW M5 is taking. instead of making a more powerfull V10, they are talking about turbocharging an I6 or I4

...The future of the Corvette...

According to the definition you posted there, NO car is environmentally friendly because every single car hurts the environment a LOT either during production or during use . . . way to drink the kool-aid. The fact that a car gets great MPG is a contributing factor of it being environmentally friendly. Using less gas = less oil = less oil refinment = green, how is that NOT part of being environmentally friendly?.

using less gas is the problem captain Obvious.....we're not there yet :nonono:

Either way i couldn't give a shit less about being "green" the Vette thing was actually a joke but that obviously went over your head, who the **** would buy a Vette just because it gets great MPG? That's not even a consideration for me lol. :lol:

...oh...im glad you told me :lol1:

TIP: stick to your daytime job...comedy isn't you forte :thumbsup:

 

[5 ltr. beater]

He'll be voted out of office before any real damage can be done from that standpoint.
If you take the demand of V8s with all the SUVs and trucks (foreign and domestic) which won't go away anytime soon, the V8 coupe will always exist as long as they do.

...oh trust me, im hoping that he gets voted out of office too. but so was BUSH and he got voted in for a second term.... :nonono:


in the meantime the 2020 35mpg mandate can't be reversed. its already been signed into office.
..and like i told our previous contestant, Obama isnt going to take away anyone's V8, he's just gonna make it harder for us to keep them. the point of him doing this is to "force" us (by means of raising registration tax) into more fuel efficient , tree hugging, hippie cars. trust me, if one day you go into the DMV and its costs you $900-$1000 a year in registration fees to keep you V8, and it only costs $230 a year to maintain some future hybrid ultra low emissions vehicle.....well....you get my picture...

 

[Mr370z]

...oh trust me, im hoping that he gets voted out of office too. but so was BUSH and he got voted in for a second term.... :nonono:


in the meantime the 2020 35mpg mandate can't be reversed. its already been signed into office.
..and like i told our previous contestant, Obama isnt going to take away anyone's V8, he's just gonna make it harder for us to keep them. the point of him doing this is to "force" us (by means of raising registration tax) into more fuel efficient , tree hugging, hippie cars. trust me, if one day you go into the DMV and its costs you $900-$1000 a year in registration fees to keep you V8, and it only costs $230 a year to maintain some future hybrid ultra low emissions vehicle.....well....you get my picture...

I'm going to be honest. Bush was at least better than Obama (I literally have 0 support for the guy). Yeah it already has been signed and it's going into effect in a few years. Personally I think if people cannot live without their v8, then they will be willing to pay the extra $. HOWEVER, I think it's wrong to do so and I would even put it on the edge of a too controlling government. What stops them from making it cost $10,000, or even a $100,000 a year in registration fees. Yeah that may sound outrageous but everything's a "slippery slope" in the gov't nowadays.

I'm not quite sure they're on the grounds to openly ban v8's from America (riot) but I would never put it past the current administration to tax it so high and mighty that only the rich could afford 'em. :bored:

 

[5 ltr. beater]

I'm not quite sure they're on the grounds to openly ban v8's from America (riot) but I would never put it past the current administration to tax it so high and mighty that only the rich could afford 'em. :bored:

...oh i doubt they'll BAN V8's. that would cause a riot (one that id participate in) but they'll just force us into a position that eventually we'll just give up on.
and for the record im a republican and very happy with Bush's two terms. what i meant to say earlier was that when the second elections came around, there was so much trash talking on Bush that i thought for sure he was going to be voted out of office but nope!.....he made it for the second as well...

 

[Seraphus]

Alright, since we're being technical about things and arguing details/semantics, I'll play along. Let's take a look at your structure:

wow.....where to begin...

....something similar in the 70's?? what are you talking about? :lol: the mandatory SMOG check in CA became effective in 1984. or are you talking about the oil crisis of 1973? that had to do with the UAE witholding oil from the US in spite of a political move made by the US to help the Israeli's during the Yom Kippur war? for god's sake, i knew our public school system was bad, but man.....you got the worst of it! :nonono:
..and yes there are loopholes in the system...its called...paying more money to maintain your current ways. ;-)

So . . . all you did was say I was right? Ok. By "something similar" I was indeed speaking of the oil crisis. What Obama is doing now is very similar, he's just using a different crisis. I'm sorry I didn't give you a reference point and list my sources, I didn't realize I was in class . . .

As for the loopholes, there IS the paying money thing (which I personally don't care about) however, if you live in Cali like me and don't know what I'm talking about when I say "loophole" then it's better that I stop talking about it. ;-)

no people didnt stop driving their V8's. but it gave way for companies you may have heard of....ummm...let's see.....Toyota,Nissan, and Honda (are just a few) that gave American people the option and security, that if another oil crisis ever came around, they would be better prepared buy having a car that didnt get 8mpg but rather got maybe 15 to 20.

Do me a favor, go look up the word "fallacy" then go research something called a "straw man argument". None of that had anything to do with what I said. In the end nobody stopped driving V8's and they didn't disappear. Everything else that happened had nothing at all to do with my point so great job in making up a phantom point then refuting it.

its ok to be ignorant. but when you claim to know what you're talking about...im just gonna keep slamming you! ;-)

See above comment.

Cailfornia Air Resource Board. how many seconds did it take you to figure that out? :bored:

Look up "Ad Hominem"

...if you didnt read Obamas future energy plan its ok...but you dont have to LIE about it. in layman's terms, over time when you go to register your vehicle, you'll be taxed harder for owning a V8 or anything above that. countries like Europe having been dealing with this for years. in europe the average joe only has a 4 or 5 cylinder because there is a larger tax attached for gross polluters. hence why turbo charging and turbodiesel's are very common over there since they have to make due with what they have.
when i say its gonna get bad..i mean its gonna get bad. especially when Obama set a mandatory 35mpg standard by the year 2020. you can keep playing the "im gonna do what i want....." game, but eventually, you'll be pissing your pants when i go to register my turbo-charged 4 cylinder that puts out the same HP as a V8 , but my registration fees will be a fraction of what you have to pay. :lol1:
heck, things are so bad that GM is going back to the drawing board on the future of the Corvette. its getting impossible for them to design a V8 that can get 35mpg. here's an article in Motortrend talking about it. they even mentioned that GM might go the same route the next generation BMW M5 is taking. instead of making a more powerfull V10, they are talking about turbocharging an I6 or I4

...The future of the Corvette...

I did read the plan. Nowhere in the plan does it say that V8's and other high displacement engines will be outlawed does it? Nope. Was that my original point? Yes, it was. All I said was that no law will prevent me from driving my V8 therefore I'm not worried. Taking that into consideration (that being my actual argument and not one you made up), this portion of your post is simply a waste of time and energy on your part.

Let's look at the finer points of this though:

You currently own an evo right? Therefore I think it would be safe to assume that you know what the car is capable of. This means that you know (as do I) that there are indeed 4cyl and 6cyl engines that can and do make more power than V8+ engines. Do you see people running to sell their cars? Nope

If it's the money that's the only problem then it's not something I'm worried about. There is a reason S Corps exist and there are many many many MANY ways to bypass taxes related to vehicles. Even if somehow I couldn't, then I'll pay to play, such is life.

The 35mpg requirement you speak of is actually required as an AVERAGE across the fleet of a manufacturer. Looks like I may have read the plans in a bit more detail than you eh?

using less gas is the problem captain Obvious.....we're not there yet :nonono:

So then you agree now that MPG IS an indicative of being environmentally friendly? So then you're contradicting your previous statement/insult? Got it.

...oh...im glad you told me :lol1:

TIP: stick to your daytime job...comedy isn't you forte :thumbsup:

If you couldn't figure out that me saying "my vette got good MPG that's why I'm getting another one" was a joke and you're on a performance site (for SVT no less) then I don't know what to say to you. :shrug: I suppose that's why you got your Evo? Also, an Ad Hominem again (since you like being technical).

in the meantime the 2020 35mpg mandate can't be reversed. its already been signed into office.

Seems like you're no educational scholar yourself are you? Yes it can be reversed, however, I highly doubt that it will be.

..and like i told our previous contestant, Obama isnt going to take away anyone's V8, he's just gonna make it harder for us to keep them.

This is actually all you should've said from the start. Since I never mentioned anything other than "they can't take them away" there was nothing else to really argue since I was right and they really CAN'T take them away. This would've saved you (and me) lots of time. Instead you went off chasing phantoms . . .

the point of him doing this is to "force" us (by means of raising registration tax) into more fuel efficient , tree hugging, hippie cars. trust me, if one day you go into the DMV and its costs you $900-$1000 a year in registration fees to keep you V8, and it only costs $230 a year to maintain some future hybrid ultra low emissions vehicle.....well....you get my picture...

I agree (and knew as soon as he was elected) that this is what he's going to try. It isn't going to work with me however.

"I'm sorry Mr. Obama I can't afford anything other than my lowly 454 LS6 Chevelle you wouldn't hurt me for being poor would you?"


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[5 ltr. beater]

So . . . all you did was say I was right? Ok. By "something similar" I was indeed speaking of the oil crisis. What Obama is doing now is very similar, he's just using a different crisis. I'm sorry I didn't give you a reference point and list my sources, I didn't realize I was in class . .

apology accepted.

As for the loopholes, there IS the paying money thing (which I personally don't care about) however, if you live in Cali like me and don't know what I'm talking about when I say "loophole" then it's better that I stop talking about it. ;-)

dam! money isnt a problem to you huh? can we hang out? i need some cash!! oke:

Do me a favor, go look up the word "fallacy" then go research something called a "straw man argument". None of that had anything to do with what I said. In the end nobody stopped driving V8's and they didn't disappear. Everything else that happened had nothing at all to do with my point so great job in making up a phantom point then refuting it.

do you a favor? sorry, all favored out today. :lol:

..and besides,i already did my research for you with appropriate links. its your turn to prove me wrong (still waiting BTW)
...and yes..i didnt say people stopped driving V8's...HOWEVER...if you compare statistics of people driving V8's from the late 70's all the way till today....you'll see a HEAVY decline in V8 purchases over the past 30 years.goes to show that eventually it could be (and probably will be) the end of the road for people opting to keep a V8 anylonger.

4 cylinders continue to rise, V6's and V8's continue a downward spiral....

....but you may be on to something....sometimes its ok to be the only guy out there doing his own thing... :loser:

See above comment.

replied. (that was easy)

Look up "Ad Hominem"

do you know what a search engine is? you seem a little lost. here you go:

google

I did read the plan. Nowhere in the plan does it say that V8's and other high displacement engines will be outlawed does it? Nope. Was that my original point? Yes, it was. All I said was that no law will prevent me from driving my V8 therefore I'm not worried.

self explanatory.

Taking that into consideration (that being my actual argument and not one you made up), this portion of your post is simply a waste of time and energy on your part.

waste of time? hardly. i get paid to sit on the computer all day (and play fantasy football between posts)

Let's look at the finer points of this though:

yes. let's.

You currently own an evo right? Therefore I think it would be safe to assume that you know what the car is capable of. This means that you know (as do I) that there are indeed 4cyl and 6cyl engines that can and do make more power than V8+ engines. Do you see people running to sell their cars? Nope
If it's the money that's the only problem then it's not something I'm worried about. There is a reason S Corps exist and there are many many many MANY ways to bypass taxes related to vehicles. Even if somehow I couldn't, then I'll pay to play, such is life.

agreed. but at what point do you just ask yourself: "is it really F'ing worth it??"

The 35mpg requirement you speak of is actually required as an AVERAGE across the fleet of a manufacturer. Looks like I may have read the plans in a bit more detail than you eh?

...ummm...it's ALWAYS been average bud...actually the correct wording is: "...with an estimated 2x/3x/4x..MPG.."
that never changed.you sure you read the bill? here you go..another freebie:

Obama/Biden future enegry plans

So then you agree now that MPG IS an indicative of being environmentally friendly? So then you're contradicting your previous statement/insult? Got it.

when i read this... ^^^^^^^




....i though of this:

If you couldn't figure out that me saying "my vette got good MPG that's why I'm getting another one" was a joke and you're on a performance site (for SVT no less) then I don't know what to say to you.

i dont know what to say either.... (yawn)

:shrug: I suppose that's why you got your Evo?

what can i say? i like being the underdog. its fun to pull up to a light and beat once in awhile a 2 door V8 sports car with a 4 door 4 cylinder. see with a V8 the mentality is that your're "supposed" to automatically win since generally the purpose of a sports car, is that its meant to be fast. kinda fun to me. plus i bought it for the convenience of being able to have 4 doors, and i can go in the mountains when it snows and not fishtail everywhere. did i mention it has awesome traction in the rain?
not a big fan of my wing though...

Seems like you're no educational scholar yourself are you?

...i dont know bud, you haven't proved me wrong yet... ;-)

Yes it can be reversed, however, it never will be.

...fixed it for ya...

This is actually all you should've said from the start. Since I never mentioned anything other than "they can't take them away" there was nothing else to really argue since I was right and they really CAN'T take them away. This would've saved you (and me) lots of time. Instead you went off chasing phantoms . . .

..time i have...plus 10 years of knowledge on you.. (if you do the math that makes me 31)....and those phantoms are links...you're suppose to click them and read. :read:

"I'm sorry Mr. Obama I can't afford anything other than my lowly 454 LS6 Chevelle you wouldn't hurt me for being poor would you?"

ive tried that line at the DMV when it came time to pay my tags....lady at the DMW doesnt seem to care... (and neither does the state apparently) , perhaps a better line? :shrug:




5 ltr. beater - 2

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woo hoo! :rockon:

 

[Seraphus]

apology accepted.




dam! money isnt a problem to you huh? can we hang out? i need some cash!! oke:





do you a favor? sorry, all favored out today. :lol:

..and besides,i already did my research for you with appropriate links. its your turn to prove me wrong (still waiting BTW)
...and yes..i didnt say people stopped driving V8's...HOWEVER...if you compare statistics of people driving V8's from the late 70's all the way till today....you'll see a HEAVY decline in V8 purchases over the past 30 years.goes to show that eventually it could be (and probably will be) the end of the road for people opting to keep a V8 anylonger.

4 cylinders continue to rise, V6's and V8's continue a downward spiral....

....but you may be on to something....sometimes its ok to be the only guy out there doing his own thing... :loser:





replied. (that was easy)





do you know what a search engine is? you seem a little lost. here you go:

google

self explanatory.











waste of time? hardly. i get paid to sit on the computer all day (and play fantasy football between posts)





yes. let's.




agreed. but at what point do you just ask yourself: "is it really F'ing worth it??"





...ummm...it's ALWAYS been average bud...actually the correct wording is: "...with an estimated 2x/3x/4x..MPG.."
that never changed.you sure you read the bill? here you go..another freebie:

Obama/Biden future enegry plans






when i read this... ^^^^^^^




....i though of this:

i dont know what to say either.... (yawn)



what can i say? i like being the underdog. its fun to pull up to a light and beat once in awhile a 2 door V8 sports car with a 4 door 4 cylinder. see with a V8 the mentality is that your're "supposed" to automatically win since generally the purpose of a sports car, is that its meant to be fast. kinda fun to me. plus i bought it for the convenience of being able to have 4 doors, and i can go in the mountains when it snows and not fishtail everywhere. did i mention it has awesome traction in the rain?
not a big fan of my wing though...






...i dont know bud, you haven't proved me wrong yet... ;-)



...fixed it for ya...





..time i have...plus 10 years of knowledge on you.. (if you do the math that makes me 31)....and those phantoms are links...you're suppose to click them and read. :read:





ive tried that line at the DMV when it came time to pay my tags....lady at the DMW doesnt seem to care... (and neither does the state apparently) , perhaps a better line? :shrug:




5 ltr. beater - 2

Seraphus - 0


woo hoo! :rockon:

All i got from this post is that I'm arguing with a 5 year old. You obviously have no clue how to properly address and refute points.

1) There is nothing for me to prove you wrong on. I said that they can't take away the V8 and you said that some people will give it up because it'll cost a lot to maintain. They are simply two different points, you are NOT refuting mine nor giving me something to refute therefore i have no obligation to "prove you wrong". This should stop you from attempting to argue anything since there is NOTHING to argue. :read:

2) It seems you still don't understand my "loophole" conversation. I'm not loaded but I'm not poor.However, that has nothing to do with what i was saying. If you don't get it by now then there's no point in me trying.

I urge you to do yourself a favor and take a course on logic as i fear this entire "debate" was simply because you where unable to recognize what was going on in the conversation and due to that, went off on tangents that were completely unrelated. Until there is a post made by you with something higher than a high school level of competence I'm done talking to you. Have a great day!

:lol1:

 

[5 ltr. beater]

All i got from this post is that I'm arguing with a 5 year old. You obviously have no clue how to properly address and refute points.


1) There is nothing for me to prove you wrong on. I said that they can't take away the V8 and you said that some people will give it up because it'll cost a lot to maintain. They are simply two different points, you are NOT refuting mine nor giving me something to refute therefore i have no obligation to "prove you wrong". This should stop you from attempting to argue anything since there is NOTHING to argue. :read:

2) It seems you still don't understand my "loophole" conversation. I'm not loaded but I'm not poor.However, that has nothing to do with what i was saying. If you don't get it by now then there's no point in me trying.

I urge you to do yourself a favor and take a course on logic as i fear this entire "debate" was simply because you where unable to recognize what was going on in the conversation and due to that, went off on tangents that were completely unrelated. Until there is a post made by you with something higher than a high school level of competence I'm done talking to you. Have a great day!

:lol1:

no need to insult someone's intelligence. i backed everything i said with facts and appropriate links attached. all i could get out of you was: "no to this", "im wrong on that" and "look this up". not one ounce of fact was presented by you on your behalf. :nono:
i do understand your point and we can agree to disagree. :-D
its ok to have a friendly debate. no need to get butt hurt and go back into your hole and disappear. its all in good fun. :beer:

 

[Mr370z]

You're wrong because I said you're wrong! And since I always tell the truth you must be wrong! And since you're wrong, then it's clear that I always tell the truth.

 

[Seraphus]

You're wrong because I said you're wrong! And since I always tell the truth you must be wrong! And since you're wrong, then it's clear that I always tell the truth.

Bingo. :beer:


@ 5ltr. there are no hard feelings, it's just a forum.

 

[saleen302]

So I was at the gas station filling up when I heard a turbo car pull in (sounded good, not great, but good), look over and see a stock looking G35.

He pulls upto the pump next to me and is asking how much HP I make before he is even out of his car.

I just round up and say 600 at the wheels. He says, well that is nice, but I make 900. It just sounded like BS, but I talked for a bit and he tells me the tuner he used and gave me a card to that shop. He also said that the tuners facebook had full pics on his build.

I asked him to get on it, and he said it was still in break in so he couldn't.

So I went home and looked up the company Welcome to S & R Performance - We believe in speed! and went to their facebook and looked at his car in the photo section : "Jay Rodriguez TT Built G35"

S&R Performance's Photos - Jay Rodriguez TT Built G35 | Facebook

The 2 turbos look like Mitsubishi 49179-5200 And it also says it was just completed and is still in break in, so far it sounds like he was telling truth

Anyways, the guy was very nice, but I just wondered if the 900HP claim was real or if he was just ragging on a US car.

900..sounds like BS...lets see, a G35 has a 3.5 liter V6...for it to make 900 horsepower, even with twin turbos, it has to be running well over 30psi of boost...there is no way you can run that much boost on PUMP gas, you need race fuel. There is too much detonation on 93 or 94 octane gas to support that kind of boost. So, if the G35 owner was filling in anything less than 100 octane, he is not making 900 horsepower in his current setup.... Now, it is possible that he has some race tune that pulls 900 bhp at 30 psi of boost at 116 octane and 500 bhp on regular pump gas and low boost......in which case he needs to specify that!

 

[25psi]

to be honest, i could care less that VQ's are making 1000hp. the question is: can you put it to the ground?
here's a fellow EVO owner that has 702awhp on 35lbs of boost clipping 10.1@144.

$ invested into the car so far is topping 12k.

YouTube - 7/16/2010 12:46 PM 00009

right now he's getting tuned to support 40lbs of boost on a street legal car.

to get a VQ running that strong i can guarantee you need at the very least 30k .

[ame=http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=606707]FS: 2005 350Z, 1000HP, 9-SECOND 1/4MILE, GT42R TURBO, Black/Black-Leather - Supraforums.com[/ame]

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