IAT2 Temp Results Stock - Modified

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I am writing this post to help others out with good data to help lower their iat2's. Yes yes I know it gets talked about all the time...however it seems that most threads that start with good info never end up producing temp results. I do realize the best setup is trunk tank, huge heat exchanger, flow mod, stewart pump ect. I decided to go a different route. One mod at a time while keeping the under hood tank. To start, my car is an 03 cobra with 18,000 original miles. It has a gen 1 whipple 2.3 @ 16psi making 570hp to the rear wheels on a conservative tune. The only mod I have to the I/C cooling system is a dual pass AFCO heat exchanger. When I purchased the car my iat1- iat2 difference was around 50 degrees. In PA, summer temps can get into the upper 90's which put my iat2's into the 150's. No good if you want to have some weekend fun in Mexico. All of my testing was done using an aeroforce interceptor gauge. For each temp test I would drive the car until it hit full operating temp. I would then let it sit to get heat soaked and do one long wot run to heat the car up. After the wot run I headed onto the highway at 65mph from one exit to the next (5 miles) and document the temps.
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My first mod to the system was a gt500 Afco heat exchanger and removing the factory hard lines. I replaced them with 3/4" gates heater hose all around. You will also need to remove the factory foam behind the front bumper and replace it with a new crash bar. I used MAF racing's crash bar and it fit perfect. Iat1- iat2 difference was 46 degrees. I was very surprised by this. Only a 4 degree drop in temps. One thing I did notice is that the coolant flow in the reservoir was only a slow trickle due to how large the gt500 afco is.

Up next is the 13-14 gt500 pump. iat1- iat2 difference was 36 degrees. This goes to show that a high flowing pump is definitely needed to lower temps. I also noticed that the system recovers much faster with the larger pump after hard pulls. At this point I will need to upgrade the factory plastic tank. The coolant has a ton of bubbles and foam due to the factory tank being so small. I actually had to drop the coolant level to half full because of all the foam it is making. Air bubbles in the system will hurt it's ability to cool.

Next on the list is a custom tank made by Greg Jones. My factory engine coolant tank is relocated so I will have plenty of room for his 2.5 gallon tank. I will update this post as I upgrade the system.
 
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FWIW, the 13/14 GT500's run a bypass hose between the inlet and outlet and the reservoir becomes a degas tank. I talked to a guy locally with a Coyote swapped 96 Cobra that's now running a DOB set up and he said his set up was usually just a few degrees above ambient and recovered fast. So you're on the right track I'd say.
 
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FWIW, the 13/14 GT500's run a bypass hose between the inlet and outlet and the reservoir becomes a degas tank. I talked to a guy locally with a Coyote swapped 96 Cobra that's now running a DOB set up and he said his set up was usually just s few degrees above ambient and recovered fast. So you're on the right track I'd say.

I have heard that as well. I hope by upgrading to the larger tank it will help. Greg's tank has a deflector inside that helps shoot the coolant away from the outlet in the tank.
 

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FWIW, the 13/14 GT500's run a bypass hose between the inlet and outlet and the reservoir becomes a degas tank. I talked to a guy locally with a Coyote swapped 96 Cobra that's now running a DOB set up and he said his set up was usually just s few degrees above ambient and recovered fast. So you're on the right track I'd say.

What is a DOB setup?
 

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Great idea for a thread. Would a 13/14 GT500 IC pump be a worthwhile mod with only an upgraded afco heat exchanger? Or would you need to go to a larger heat exchanger to see the benefit? Is there a "proven recipe" of mods for the intercooler system on our cars? Do you have to go trunk tank to really see a performance improvement? I will be bolting on a whipple 2.9 standard inlet this winter. Any advice I can get on keeping those IA2 temps down with that whipple would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Great idea for a thread. Would a 13/14 GT500 IC pump be a worthwhile mod with only an upgraded afco heat exchanger? Or would you need to go to a larger heat exchanger to see the benefit? Is there a "proven recipe" of mods for the intercooler system on our cars? Do you have to go trunk tank to really see a performance improvement? I will be bolting on a whipple 2.9 standard inlet this winter. Any advice I can get on keeping those IA2 temps down with that whipple would be greatly appreciated.

I would think yes judging by my results, however I didnt try the gt500 pump with the 03 afco heat exchanger. The proven combo is a large pump, large heat exchanger, flow modded intercooler and a trunk tank. I have no desire to do a trunk tank.
 

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The proven combo is a large pump, large heat exchanger, flow modded intercooler and a trunk tank.

Good to know. Thank you for the info. I really don't want to do a trunk tank either. Guess I can start with just the GT500 pump and see where that gets me. @PSD_ any tips on installing the upgraded pump? Maybe a photo of how you did it?

Is J2Fab the only company that makes a proper flow mod? Been hearing some not so great things about them recently so a little nervous to give him nearly 700 bucks and my intercooler.
 

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Mounting the gt500 pump is not a direct bolt on. I bought the ford racing pump kit that includes the bracket and harness. You will need to cut off your factory I/C pump plug, splice in the new harness and cut off one small tab on the 13/14 pump bracket. I removed the factory pump bracket and the 13/14 bracket bolted right up. I failed to take pictures of that but it is not difficult to do. I will not use J2 fab for my flow mod. Greg that is making my I/C tank will also be modifying my factory intercooler and fabricating my flow mod. If you are interested in his work send me a PM. He does very good work at a much better price. He will be modifying my factory I/C over the winter.
 

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@PSD_ still have your factory foam piece? I tore mine apart doing the Killer Chiller and would like a redo. Let me know I’m happy to take it off your hands.


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@PSD_ still have your factory foam piece? I tore mine apart doing the Killer Chiller and would like a redo. Let me know I’m happy to take it off your hands.


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I am going to keep it. I like to save all my factory parts. You can still buy them online new.
 

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Greg's tank should be coming within the next week. I will update with the temp difference with the new tank.
 

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@PSD_
What did you have to do bracket wise to mount the GT500 HX?
I see it's hanging off the crash bar, but did you have to fabricate the welded on brackets to the crash bar?
What about the aluminum tabs on the HX that bolt to the crash bar brackets? Did you have to add those to the HX?
Thanks
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What did you have to do bracket wise to mount the GT500 HX?
I see it's hanging off the crash bar, but did you have to fabricate the welded on brackets to the crash bar?
What about the aluminum tabs on the HX that bolt to the crash bar brackets? Did you have to add those to the HX?
Thanks
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The crash bar from maf has the brackets on already. It's a direct bolt on no mods needed besides pulling out the factory foam insert.
 

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The crash bar from maf has the brackets on already. It's a direct bolt on no mods needed besides pulling out the factory foam insert.
Nice!
Thank you sir!
I need to add that to the list then along with the new motor!
 

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I finally got the chance to install my tank from Greg Jones. I am very happy with the quality. The filler cap is billet with a nice thick sealing gasket. All of his welds are perfect and he included a nice drain plug on the bottom. There is a large grate over the exit for holding ice as well as a deflector that re-directs the coolant to the right side of the tank. I had him weld on 1" fittings as I plan to upgrade my intercooler to 1" in the future. My temps are down about 5 degrees. Not a huge difference, however the recovery is amazing. Before with the factory plastic tank I could only do 2 hard pulls before the car would completely heat soak. During my test I did 5 hard pulls back to back and the temps came right back to cruising temp. I had tons of people on social media talking crap about me going with an under the hood tank. They claim the tank will soak up then engine heat and have an adverse effect on cooling. I saw the exact opposite. After a 2 hour cruise the tank was ambient temp to the touch and the coolant in the tank was cool as well. Temps in PA are currently in the low 70's. I am very happy how my setup is performing currently, however I would like to lower the temps even further to the point I can beat on the car in the summer heat and not have to worry about the car pulling timing. This winter I will be sending my intercooler to Greg to be modded for 1" fittings as well as having 1" fittings welded onto my gt500 Afco heat exchanger. I will update with pictures as I receive the intercooler and I will report temp changes in the spring. The cobra is headed into hibernation in the next few weeks. To recap, it currently has about a 30 degree difference between iat1 and iat2. Sorry for rambling but I hope to help others chase cooler temps.

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