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He's clearly never heard of the Trans Am series. Muscle cars have been on road courses for a while now. And the ZL1 1LE is a beast around a road course.
Based on 25+ years of Mustang weight gains, I'm not optimistic that the new GT500 will shed enough weight to make 650HP enough. My first Mustang was a '91 LX Coupe and I've seen them get heavier ever since.
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Because they're pony cars, and that's what they're made for? Pony cars are not muscle cars. Why would anyone take a pony car and try to make it a drag monster? Sure you could, but why? That's not what they were made for.
Yet, that's exactly what Carroll Shelby did with the original GT350R.
Actually, the original Corvette was designed to be a boulevard cruiser. If the Corvette can change, why can't the Mustang?
People are very jaded these days to think that 700HP from the factory is weak sauce. Also, I can't understand why people keep harping on the cost of the next GT500. Are the Hellcats cheap? Hellno! Is the Z06 cheap? Hell no! Is the ZL1 (1LE) cheap? Hell no! The new ZR1? Double hell no! Yet the next GT500 has to have 800++HP, only be good in a straight line, and it better not cost a penny over 30 grand??? What the hell is wrong with some of y'all??
Because they're pony cars, and that's what they're made for? Pony cars are not muscle cars. Why would anyone take a pony car and try to make it a drag monster? Sure you could, but why? That's not what they were made for.
Yet, that's exactly what Carroll Shelby did with the original GT350R.
Actually, the original Corvette was designed to be a boulevard cruiser. If the Corvette can change, why can't the Mustang?
People are very jaded these days to think that 700HP from the factory is weak sauce. Also, I can't understand why people keep harping on the cost of the next GT500. Are the Hellcats cheap? Hellno! Is the Z06 cheap? Hell no! Is the ZL1 (1LE) cheap? Hell no! The new ZR1? Double hell no! Yet the next GT500 has to have 800++HP, only be good in a straight line, and it better not cost a penny over 30 grand??? What the hell is wrong with some of y'all??
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Exactly! He must have forgotten about Parnelli Jones and the original Boss 302 winning the trans-am championship in 70’ i believe. i mean if he wants a car that’s only a track car or only a drag car that’s fine, everyone else will be enjoying zl1, zl11le, blown gt350s, and the new 500.
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I wouldnt say 700 is weak sauce, just not for ME, some might like it though. Now look, if it was an NA 625HP 3600LB car, I'd take that, but it aint gonna be. If its force inducted, which it will be, with an auto transmission, its almost 4,000 lbs and thats with some weight saving measures. Even with 700HP its gonna be spin city if it doesn't come with the right suspension and tires, or is unbalanced. Since I love burning the hell out of tires, lets make it 750 at 4000 lbs and I'll take it. 700 is good, but not good enough for me to pull the trigger.
Edit: What I'm saying here is something needs to be special about this new GT500 or I just don't care about getting it. Unreal power, DCT, extreme weight savings etc. Just one of those would do it. A 700HP supercharged, 4000 lb auto isn't a must buy IMO. I can get that in the new PP2 and put a supercharger on it for less.
Edit: What I'm saying here is something needs to be special about this new GT500 or I just don't care about getting it. Unreal power, DCT, extreme weight savings etc. Just one of those would do it. A 700HP supercharged, 4000 lb auto isn't a must buy IMO. I can get that in the new PP2 and put a supercharger on it for less.
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Yes it needs to have 800, its not a ****ing GT350 we already have that cute little car. And no one said 30 grand, but it damn sure better not cost 100K, its a mustang not a freaking ferrari. Get real.
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The way y'all are talking, you don't even want it to be priced the same as the so-called competition. Don't be ridiculous. Ford has zero interest or mission to chase after Hellcats and Demons. Funny how nobody says shit about the ZL1 not having 700+HP to compete with the Hellcat in drag races. The Camaro is in the exact same slot as the Mustang. The Camaro gets a pass for not chasing a straight line car, but the top dog Mustang has to keep being a knuckledragger?
For the first 5 laps.
You keep telling yourself that....
I don’t need to. It’s in print from one of the major magazines. I believe car and driver. Brakes don’t last more than 5 hard laps.
Lets see a link...
Cute little car that’s rated better than the 120k Porsche gt4.
If they can keep it at 3600lbs 700-750hp would be amazing.
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“At the Jacques Villeneuve–designed Area 27 in British Columbia, we ran 40-plus laps of the 3.0-mile circuit. It was the brakes—the iron-rotor units carry over from the regular ZL1 except for the ABS calibration—rather than spent tires that prevented us from turning more than five hot laps at a time; the pedal gets a little long on the fifth lap.”
https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www...8-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-first-drive-review
Very different from the 350R config:
“This cooling became necessary when Ford decided to perform a durability test for the GT350R that consisted of a 24-hour run at a racetrack where the lap times were kept within three percent of the car’s flat-out max. The only things that could be replaced during the 24-hour run were brake pads, tires, and fuel. Any other failures and it was back to the drawing board.”
https://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-...-the-more-we-learn-the-more-impressed-we-are/
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I love the ZL1, the GT350, and the GT500's of recent past. Great hardware in all of them that you can really exploit at a given track. The brakes on all of them have really evolved and are a huge leap from anything the domestics offered in the past.
Thanks to my wife's company (Caliperfexion) I've had the opportunity to talk to some really fascinating people involved in the design and manufacture of these high performing braking systems. With respect to the system on the GT350, the one thing that sticks out in my mind is the stiffness Ford engineers achieved with the unique aluminum knuckle, Explorer Police-based hub pieces, SHW rotor, and "bridged" Brembo caliper. All of which translates into superb feel at the pedal.
I asked specifically about any measured increase in caliper stiffness by casting in the bridge and Ford engineers assured me it made a difference. When I pointed out that the Camaro still used an open body caliper and mentioned the brake performance of that car I got all smiles - the Ford/Brembo caliper is indeed stiffer. Small differences that when added up make for a great overall system.
Juggling pad compounds, rotor styles, caliper mount configurations, achieving optimum bias, not to mention the advanced electronic brake controls we have in place - mind boggling if you happened to have lived and drove when drum brakes were common place. GM will has and will continue to improve their brake systems as will Ford (Chrysler too, the "AMC" of the bunch
). If there is a deficiency I have little doubt that it will be corrected. The system on the next track star Mustang is going to be a truly great one. Can't wait!
Thanks to my wife's company (Caliperfexion) I've had the opportunity to talk to some really fascinating people involved in the design and manufacture of these high performing braking systems. With respect to the system on the GT350, the one thing that sticks out in my mind is the stiffness Ford engineers achieved with the unique aluminum knuckle, Explorer Police-based hub pieces, SHW rotor, and "bridged" Brembo caliper. All of which translates into superb feel at the pedal.
I asked specifically about any measured increase in caliper stiffness by casting in the bridge and Ford engineers assured me it made a difference. When I pointed out that the Camaro still used an open body caliper and mentioned the brake performance of that car I got all smiles - the Ford/Brembo caliper is indeed stiffer. Small differences that when added up make for a great overall system.
Juggling pad compounds, rotor styles, caliper mount configurations, achieving optimum bias, not to mention the advanced electronic brake controls we have in place - mind boggling if you happened to have lived and drove when drum brakes were common place. GM will has and will continue to improve their brake systems as will Ford (Chrysler too, the "AMC" of the bunch
). If there is a deficiency I have little doubt that it will be corrected. The system on the next track star Mustang is going to be a truly great one. Can't wait!
Going to have to start another thread to get to the bottom of this question.
My wife when we were dating asked "why Mustangs?" and while there is more than one answer I told her it's "the cheapest way to go fast." Point being that the Mustang is a great example of a car you make your own and enjoy in multiple ways. Thankfully we have performance that I couldnt even imagine when I bought my first Mustang, a used '86 GT in '97.
Fun to have some debates here but I doubt anyone of us can complain about how many badass options exist today.
-J
Fun to have some debates here but I doubt anyone of us can complain about how many badass options exist today.
-J
Absolutely not. They're wicked straight from the factory.
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