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Lots. But others who have been out of work need a chance at things now.

Maybe those put out of work by this idea can just become programmers? I like the sentiment of the meme but in reality would that be against the free market? Still miss RadioShack and my local Sears hardware. One parking lot that I could visit and solve 99% of problems.
 

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Maybe those put out of work by this idea can just become programmers? I like the sentiment of the meme but in reality would that be against the free market? Still miss RadioShack and my local Sears hardware. One parking lot that I could visit and solve 99% of problems.
I like the meme too but it would have economic costs if we actually did that. I don't know what programmers really do but I'm guessing it's a desk job mostly. Personally I don't enjoy sitting in front of a computer 8 hours a day like I do now. Many are not psychologically suited for that type of work. Fortunately I'm able to go back to my workplace March 1 and can be off the computer for the better part of the day. Growing up I watched my dad sit at a desk 9 hours a day doing paperwork and talking on the phone and said Hell no do I ever want a desk job. He's retired now but he regrets his career path. He wishes he had gone to med school and become an eye doctor.
 

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I like the meme too but it would have economic costs if we actually did that. I don't know what programmers really do but I'm guessing it's a desk job mostly. Personally I don't enjoy sitting in front of a computer 8 hours a day like I do now. Many are not psychologically suited for that type of work. Fortunately I'm able to go back to my workplace March 1 and can be off the computer for the better part of the day. Growing up I watched my dad sit at a desk 9 hours a day doing paperwork and talking on the phone and said Hell no do I ever want a desk job. He's retired now but he regrets his career path. He wishes he had gone to med school and become an eye doctor.

It was a reference to Biden's retraining but I agree 100%. I kinda like my desk job but now that I'm working from home it's brutal. My time used to be split between going out to the field doing recon then designing. Moved to another dept where projects take months/years so its 1 day out then months of CAD work. Pair that with working from home... Had more than one person in my life mention my personality has changed. Kind of scary.
 
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Hmmm. And how many people who worked in small businesses lost jobs when these corporate giants forced their employers to shut down. :rolleyes:

Hi Bob I'm glad you replied even though a few months ago you vowed to never reply to one of my post again. I'm going to go into detail because despite everything I think that you will actually sit down and take the time to read what I'm about to write. You may not like it but there's logic behind it so here goes.
Let's use this example and say that big businesses have to shut down for 6 months. Costco, Walmart, mcdonald's, taco Bell you get the picture. Only businesses with 500 or less employees are allowed to remain open. By definition this is what a small business is; 500 or less with a few exceptions.
For those of us allowed to continue working during this moratorium, things will be very different. Remember those $5 boxes from taco Bell or value meals you used to buy? well forget about it. You have to go to the small business which tend to be more expensive than a chain restaurant. So for the people that relied on a $50 a week budget for lunch, well now that budget has at the very least doubled.
Of course, one way to alleviate this would be to make your own lunch. Large chains like Walmart, Kroger and their affiliates etc would fall under this moratorium as well and would be forced to close their doors. In some communities this means that only farmers markets and niche type stores are the only choices. Now let me ask you, what happens when the supply is cut way down but the demand remains the same? The cost of those items are going to go through the roof. Things like tomatoes onions, items not considered staple will sit and go bad and for those that do buy it they will pay a premium for it. Additionally when the laws of supply and demand are in effect then the consumer is at the mercy of the retailer. This isn't gouging because a true argument could be made that they have a scarce item and the price increase is simply a market correction. Need proof? Look at what happens every time a Shelby model is released at the Ford dealership.
Let's take it a step further. I'll end it on this note but it's also the most important one. go to Costco or Sam's club Walmart Target any of these large stores. The next time you are there look at some of the end caps. They contain items that are made by - small businesses! That's right small business items actually end up in those large marketplaces. So now that these large retailers are closed a lot of small businesses will go under. Look at what happened around 2008 when the auto manufacturers needed bailouts. A lot of those parts are made by small businesses. So you see Bob, there is synergy in this thing called the economy. I'm not sure how many gaskets you sell but what if someone came along with an idea saying that websites dedicated to gasoline performance cars with over 20,000 members had to close for 6 months? @SID297 wouldn't be too happy and I can't say that I'd blame him. It's a shame when you are punished for your legal success. I'm not sure how it would affect you now but it would have an effect on vendors that sell things through this website and others like it. So you see, big businesses do play a role in our economy.
Let's be clear, I'm no fan of predatory pricing or things of that nature but it does exist. Don't forget Walmart started off as a small business. It sounds as if you want to punish them for their success. That sounds very socialist.
 

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Hi Bob I'm glad you replied even though a few months ago you vowed to never reply to one of my post again. I'm going to go into detail because despite everything I think that you will actually sit down and take the time to read what I'm about to write. You may not like it but there's logic behind it so here goes.
Let's use this example and say that big businesses have to shut down for 6 months. Costco, Walmart, mcdonald's, taco Bell you get the picture. Only businesses with 500 or less employees are allowed to remain open. By definition this is what a small business is; 500 or less with a few exceptions.
For those of us allowed to continue working during this moratorium, things will be very different. Remember those $5 boxes from taco Bell or value meals you used to buy? well forget about it. You have to go to the small business which tend to be more expensive than a chain restaurant. So for the people that relied on a $50 a week budget for lunch, well now that budget has at the very least doubled.
Of course, one way to alleviate this would be to make your own lunch. Large chains like Walmart, Kroger and their affiliates etc would fall under this moratorium as well and would be forced to close their doors. In some communities this means that only farmers markets and niche type stores are the only choices. Now let me ask you, what happens when the supply is cut way down but the demand remains the same? The cost of those items are going to go through the roof. Things like tomatoes onions, items not considered staple will sit and go bad and for those that do buy it they will pay a premium for it. Additionally when the laws of supply and demand are in effect then the consumer is at the mercy of the retailer. This isn't gouging because a true argument could be made that they have a scarce item and the price increase is simply a market correction. Need proof? Look at what happens every time a Shelby model is released at the Ford dealership.
Let's take it a step further. I'll end it on this note but it's also the most important one. go to Costco or Sam's club Walmart Target any of these large stores. The next time you are there look at some of the end caps. They contain items that are made by - small businesses! That's right small business items actually end up in those large marketplaces. So now that these large retailers are closed a lot of small businesses will go under. Look at what happened around 2008 when the auto manufacturers needed bailouts. A lot of those parts are made by small businesses. So you see Bob, there is synergy in this thing called the economy. I'm not sure how many gaskets you sell but what if someone came along with an idea saying that websites dedicated to gasoline performance cars with over 20,000 members had to close for 6 months? @SID297 wouldn't be too happy and I can't say that I'd blame him. It's a shame when you are punished for your legal success. I'm not sure how it would affect you now but it would have an effect on vendors that sell things through this website and others like it. So you see, big businesses do play a role in our economy.
Let's be clear, I'm no fan of predatory pricing or things of that nature but it does exist. Don't forget Walmart started off as a small business. It sounds as if you want to punish them for their success. That sounds very socialist.
What you wrote makes sense but remember how all these big chains forced small businesses/mom and pop stores out of business when they became widespread? Shutting them down and allowing the smaller businesses to have a share in profits would also encourage new businesses to open to compensate for the lack of big chains. More competition from newer/smaller businesses opening up will keep prices in check and those big chain employees who lost their jobs can go work for them. Remember the rules: it's only for 6 months.
 

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I’ll make it even simpler: What the meme proposes would be an unconstitutional taking of property, such that the Supreme Court would immediately block it - even assuming enough members of both houses of Congress and the President all signed on, which would never happen. Second, that’s the government taking control of, and centrally planning, the economy - which, like someone already posted, is socialism. That has already been tried a few times in the last century and never worked out very well.
 

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