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Discussion in '2015+ Shelby GT350 Mustang' started by 1987GN, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. 1FASFKR

    1FASFKR Active Member Established Member

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    I'm pretty much in this realm of thinking as well. I've shifted my "POS" stock shifter up and down the rpm spectrum. It's STILL the best OEM shifter I've ever felt. I just don't have the reasoning in place to get the MGW shifter. I expect it would be a very top quality unit but I really don't have a need for it to be tops on my mod list.

    Now if I had the 19 shifter issues and was currently fighting that like the OP, I'd buy the MGW. But that would be done out of necessity which is entirely a different scenario.
     
  2. Tob

    Tob Salut! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The '19 shifter is no different than the one used in 2015 to 2018 GT350's.
     
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    1FASFKR Active Member Established Member

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    May be that's true but what is true is the 19's are having the issue.
     
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    gimmie11s Handlebar mustaches... PSSHHH! Established Member Established Member

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    Why you people argue with someone who has literally “been there and done that” with every Shelby or SVT car in the last 20 years is beyond me.

    There is simply no arguing the mans knowledge —both pre production and post, as well as the aftermarket.

    If you don’t have anything worth saying, just shut up and listen.




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    Tob Salut! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    It is true and not only the '19 MY cars have had issues. This has been ongoing and is inherent with the design.
     
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    03reptile Active Member Established Member

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    Yesterday my new MGW shifter was installed at the dealership!! Still no word on the OEM shifter...figures. It'll make a nice wall hanging in my garage, when, and if, it ever gets here. To clarify, the 2019 MY shifters had a defective part installed by the manufacturer and many were sent out and installed in the 2019 MY vehicles. The previous years shifters did not have that issue, albeit, they were still not the best on the market.
    I really was surprised with the new MGW. I was expecting it to be notchy and stiff....it wasn't! Very precise and shorter throws. I really like it and as it wears in, it will even get better. Instead of seeing my car sitting at the dealership, it's in my garage and I'm back driving it and stirring gears. Thanks to the group for steering me toward the MGW. It's a great up-grade.
     
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    1FASFKR Active Member Established Member

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    You're kinda combative on this. My shifter is fine. I haven't seen issues with the shifter other than the 19 MY's. Maybe the 19 problems are wider spread. Who cares. As long as my shifter is doing what it's supposed to do then I don't need the MGW. Now, if my shifter decides to take a crap, then I'll look into it. Maybe I should have a spare Voodoo block laying around too huh? Just in case...
     
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    Tob Salut! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    If you read my posts in response to yours as "combative" I'd suggest you remove emotion from the discussion and stick to facts. That's great that your shifter is fine.

    I told you these issues have lingered since inception and you apparently choose to believe to the contrary based on what you have seen in "other than the 19 MY's." Your perspective is your reality and I'm not here to change that. In the real world however, these issues exist and have for five model years now.

    What you need is up to you and nobody else. If your choices make you happy then great. Nobody is here to tell you that you need this or need that.

    Spare Voodoo block? Whatever floats your boat.
     
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    If my "up-dated" OEM shifter ever shows up at the dealership from backorder, I save it for you to buy from me if your current shifter fails in the future! Win Win! I'm sure there are lots of GT350 owners who have no problems or complaints about their OEM shifters and that's all good. I've driven all manner of manual transmissions over my 50 plus years of driving to include three GT500s. The GT500s were adequate and I never thought to replace them. This MGW is definitely the best shifter I have ever experienced. It also gives me the security that I won't have to revisit a shifter problem in the future.
     
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    ANGREY Active Member Established Member

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    I think there's two threads/arguments going on here.

    I fully admit that the MGW is an improvement over the stock shifter. But conversely, others must admit that it's not as bad as previous OEM shifters. Anyone who claims otherwise is a biased fool. The older shifters were pretty bad. The OEM GT350 shifter isn't the greatest, but it's still much better than the others. Hence why every review from amateurs to professional publications have remarked about how much better it feels than past models.

    What's the more important debate is VALUE.

    I fully admit that the carbon fiber wheels are much better than the OEM wheels. Am I or anyone else willing to pay $12k to swap them? No. It's not a matter of improvement, it's a matter of VALUE.

    To demonstrate, would anyone of you who are on the other side of this healthy debate swap out your MGW if it was $10,000? No. You wouldn't, because at that point, it would still be an improvement, but wouldn't be worth the cost.

    What about $9k? What about $8k. Each person's value point will be different. Some of you would probably pay more than $500 for the swap.

    I've fully admitted that I would still end up doing the swap, it would just come later/latest in my list of modifications. There's other areas with more VALUE to improve (i.e. more effect/$ spent).

    Lastly, anyone who's financially or personally involved with MGW should probably bow out of this conversation. It tarnishes what was/is a very good standing. It makes you start to look like the typical shrill that plagues our industry.
     
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    Maybe because he isn't the only one around here experienced with multiple Shelby's and other makes.
     
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    This is an example of why I don't hang out at this forum too often.
     
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    I promise, anyone who says the MGW isn't worth the $700 is crazy.

    I have one in my ACR and it's absolutely killer. George makes a phenomenal product, that is lightyears better than the stock equivalent.
     
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    Tob Salut! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I'm assuming you're directing this comment at me. A shrill? Plaguing the industry? Wow.

    I know George very well and consider him a close friend. He's as professional as it gets and driven to produce the best. Knowing him has nothing to do with any data I have provided. I've broken down the factory shifter, piece by piece and tried to provide an objective analysis therein. I've made numerous posts/threads on the matter over the past few years here and elsewhere. I'm aware of who designed it, where it is manufactured, its weaknesses from an engineering standpoint as well as its failures with actual use. I'm also well versed on the design and construction of the MGW shifter designed for the GT350. Comments I make here at SVTP aren't an attempt to elevate myself, or to benefit an individual due to friendship. If MGW trips up and makes something subpar I'll be the first to comment. I've posted here for a decade or so and broken down numerous factory shifters as well as the aftermarket. Each and every time my comments or review is geared towards objective performance improvement - not to influence for the purpose of generating profit. You've apparently missed the past few years that reflect this.

    When it comes to GT350 shifters, these are your choices:

    - OEM factory
    - Ford Racing
    - Barton
    - MGW

    If you're interested beyond just posting in a given thread I urge you to study each, in depth, and then compare them to one another in terms of comfort/ergonomics, effort, and shift "performance" when used aggressively. You can "Google" to learn about issues the factory unit has suffered as well as read positive comments from various owners on numerous forums across the web. Once educated on the entire shifter spectrum you'll be in a much better position to comment - and this isn't directed at anyone specifically.
     
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    03cobra#694 Want to play a game? Staff Member Super Moderator

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    That earned you a week vacation. Keep it up.
     
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    Wish I could have read the rest of your enlightening post before Brad edited it.

    Probably better that I didn’t though...



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    Zemedici Well-Known Member Established Member

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  18. ANGREY

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    My point is, you're very respected and what you say is true. We simply disagree about the extent of the value. But it wouldn't be an honest discussion if someone didn't ask.....did you pay for your MGW? Or was it donated to you in exchange for a coverage piece or R/D, etc, etc, etc.

    Conflicted interest doesn't necessarily negate valid points, but it does tug on perceptions of impropriety. If a "rep" from Steeda or someone who's received free stuff from them argues their lowering springs are best/better than BMR or Eibach, it doesn't necessarily make them wrong that they have a personal/financial benefit, but we should all be conscious of it. If I were given free demo products or free stuff, I'd be an advocate too, regardless of whether it's true.

    In full disclosure, I think MGW is the best available product on the market. I think it's an incredible piece and design and I've said as much, it's fantastic machining and craftsmanship. I've only ever argued that it's maybe not worth the squeeze/cost for the incremental improvement. I never even said don't do it, I simply argued that in a world of unlimited wants, needs and desires and limited resources, this upgrade should be toward the bottom in terms of performance impact for money spent. I'll leave it at that.
     
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    ANGREY Active Member Established Member

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    And to be clear, I don't think you're a shrill. That was probably not the right language to use in a conversation that's not face to face with verbal cues. What I'm saying is that all over the interweb, social media, etc, there's a lot of "advice" and recommendations/suggestions, etc out there and unfortunately for the entire spectrum from newbies to professionals, there's a lot of "biased" or at the very least CONNECTED advice. Discussions about tuners is probably the worst example. People have to watch who they're believing because there's a lot of information out there that isn't clean and unbiased.

    Anyway, I apologize for saying it, I didn't mean to go as far as to accuse you of being a shrill. Just pointing out that in a page where someone asks "should I MGW" there's people who have no harm or benefit from their statements and others who have more invested in their contributions (i.e. friendships and associations, free gear, etc).
     
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    I did read it. Hence my response.
     

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