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Discussion in 'Road Side Pub' started by CV355, Oct 11, 2018.
What kind of rubbish is this? What's your take?
Why you have (probably) already bought your last car
I doubt completely autonomous vehicles on a massive scale will replace regular cars in the next 20 years. I definitely think we will continue to see advancements in driving aids like auto braking|collision avoidance, lane departure, parking assist etc.
We reject this development. We are alpha males. We control the vehicle. We drive our super model dates (plural) back to our mansions and plow them.
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I will never step foot in an autonomous vehicle. Manual driving forever.
Completely, no, but what my new truck does is awesome.
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I agree. Driver aids will get more and more prevalent.
I work in automation and I see how often sensors fail or are bypassed. It doesn't matter how "safe" you make a system, something can and will find a way to fail. I'm not rejecting automated vehicles entirely, because 10 deaths a year is better than 40,000 per year when vehicles are controlled by mouth-breathing idiots, drunks, and cell-addicted mistakes. However, I guarantee that one automated vehicle death will garnish more attention than 40,000 caused by dumbassery. (in fact, I think it already did with the Tesla accident...)
And the Pedestrian death by a Google vehicle.
It all started with the automatic transmission.
A robot shifting for you.
I don't even use self check-out lines...
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IMO the horse to car comparison is bunk.
This is (probably) the future:
I stepped out into the darkness, wandering around in a world that looked, well, remarkably as it looks today. I noticed a few stray autonomous vehicles doing their rote routines, with their blue LEDs indicating what they were. But they were - not surprisingly - insignificant, part of the thrum of a new reality, but only a bit part.
And as the darkness lightened slightly, I started to see the ebb and flow of traffic on Woodward Avenue. Some avant-garde designs were noticeable - aero shapes punctuated by their wildly diverse lighting systems - but they were clearly full-zoot luxury machines. Other cars were decidedly less adventurous, a mix of small to medium sized conveyances that really didn’t look all that much different from today. And yes, the traffic flow was dominated by SUV-like vehicles still, the American consumer having long ago abandoned any thought of going back to a typical passenger car.
The sounds were diverse too. A mix of BEV whine, hybrids and yes, full-on ICE machines as well. It was obvious that the prognostications of a complete transition to BEVs were dead wrong. The “grand transformation” was clearly a work in progress, with scores of people happily clinging to their piston-powered vehicles for two reasons: cost and the freedom of movement with no limitations. I did notice that as I walked past the local Speedway gas station/convenience store, a row of quick charging stations for BEVs had been added. They were empty now, but the gas pumps were already busy.
I found myself back at my computer and I began to peruse some of the stories. The “C” of FCA had been bought out eight years ago, so Jeep and Ram Truck were now part of the Hyundai Group, with the Italians keeping control of Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Fiat and Maserati.
The Toyota conglomerate now included Honda and Mazda - as completely separate entities - as well as Subaru. And Lexus survived as a fully-electric brand after Toyota bought out the assets of Tesla, which had gone bankrupt eleven years earlier. Peugeot-Citroën had taken over Renault and solidified into one company, with Nissan being absorbed and rebranded as Datsun worldwide, Infiniti having been discontinued.
Daimler and BMW had entered into a joint operating agreement; both Mercedes and BMW retained product independence in the new German company and were joined by Aston Martin, which finally ran out of time and money trying to keep its luxury brand afloat.
The VW Group long ago established itself as the largest automotive conglomerate in the world. The news? Its working agreement with the Ford Motor Company had evolved into a full takeover, as Ford’s restructuring was stalled by its perpetually late product cadence, ineffectual leadership and having pissed away billions trying to become a mobility company. And for the first time in its history Ford was no longer controlled by the Ford family, although the family still maintained a significant - but notably reduced - presence in terms of stock and influence.
And what of GM? Dan Ammann had succeeded Mary Barra, with 99 percent of the company’s profitability originating in China. The Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC divisions remained, with Hummer having been resurrected from the scrap heap and brought back to prominence. Those brands were now joined by Jaguar and Land Rover, as GM became part of the Tata conglomerate in 2025.
The most amazing thing I discovered in my future dream was that all of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on the development of autonomous vehicles had turned out to be the biggest financial disaster - this side of The Great Recession - in automotive history. The focus on autonomous conveyances and the promise of a Utopian future of no-involvement ride sharing and rent-by-the-minute usage had devolved into lawyered-up tech companies fighting over a few big municipal fleets, contracts with the U. S. Post Office and very narrowly-focused utilization for the elderly. The Masters from The Valley of Silicon were incredulous that consumers just didn’t buy into their all-encompassing brilliance.
The wholesale consumer acceptance of mass usage rental vehicles turned out to be a mirage, as real people with real lives convincingly reminded the brainiacs that the reality of mass ride sharing just doesn’t work in the real world, where the comings and goings of an average family will never fit into a perfect little autonomous box.
The brightening sky was now getting dark again, as storm clouds rolled in from the west. I went out and fired up The Beast one more time, just to remind myself that the memorable moments in life are fleeting and precious, and still worth pursuing.
100% for it.
Commute car is autonomous, fun weekend car you control. Everyone’s commute is fun....the first week. Same shit different day after that.
What’s the problem? Ride to work watching news / stock market / whatever you want to.
That sounds like the best of both worlds, though you and I both know they'd jack insurance rates on "driven cars" vs "autonomous"
Unless autonomous cars are insanely subsidized, I doubt they'll ever be prevalent enough to obsolete traditional vehicles.
Also, where do motorcycles fit into this? And how long until some degenerate tries Russian-Jump-Rope with traffic for insurance fraud?
**** it. I’ll remain a peasant with my “driven cars” until my time comes.
Pick your poison.
One would think in theory the insurance on the autonomous ones would be very low due to safety right? I can see them raping the rates just cuz they can, but all it takes is one insurance company with some ****ing sense to have a reasonable rate and they’ll all start doing it.
Have you actually drove something with the Ford/GM 10 speed? It'll change your thinking.
Autonomous cars will be at SAE level 1/2 for the foreseeable future. As such, driver input will still be required.
The safety of an autonomous car is a function of the level of automation, as per SAE standards. If the system fails to mitigate or avoid a crash and there is a driver behind the wheel, the driver is still responsible. I doubt insurance rates will be low, especially for those who are first adopters.
Regardless of everything else that has been touched on so far, I find it absolutely hilarious that someone thinks it'll take 15-20 years for completely autonomous cars to rule the road, and that anybody who currently owns a car will still be in that car for the next 15-20 years.
The average trade cycle for people is roughly three years. Even financially smart people.