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whippled and failed cali smog test...

Discussion in 'Terminator Talk' started by doubleblack, Feb 14, 2009.

  1. doubleblack

    doubleblack New Member Established Member

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    The tech passed the car visually, but it failed out the sniffer.
    The car has:
    2.3 whipple
    accufab TB
    60's
    Tune
    Bassani X w/ cats
    Bassani catback

    Anyone else fail out the sniffer. They do a 15mph and 25mph test. The worst part of the test was the NO's at 15 mph.
    My test results:

    @ 15 MPH / 2015 RPM:
    HC - MAX=52, MEASURED=77
    CO - MAX=.49, MEASURED=.10
    NO - MAX=424, MEASURED=871

    @ 25 MPH / 2200 RPM:
    HC - MAX=36, MEASURED=54
    CO - MAX=.46, MEASURED=.13
    NO - MAX=711, MEASURED=695

    My next plan of attack is to put my stock H pipe back on. I also want to tweak the tune w/ my PRP.
    Any tuners out there know where to start???
     
  2. Steve@TF

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    thats surprising? who tuned it? my catless cobra, contour and truck all passed.

    have you had any CELs recently?
     
  3. doubleblack

    doubleblack New Member Established Member

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    RWTD..

    i'm going to ask them to send me a smog tune...

    how the heck did you pass catless?
     
  4. 99cobra09

    99cobra09 "Stock Car" Established Member

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    How in the hell did you pass catless!!!!!!! No way in hell thats possible!!!
     
  5. TheDarkness03

    TheDarkness03 MOAR DOTS!!! Established Member

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    i wanna know how he passed the visual with a 2.3 whipple, lol
     
  6. racebronco2

    racebronco2 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    you probably need to install the stock cats.
     
  7. sykal

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    you don't have any close friends with shops?
    i got a friend who will pass me catless for about $60
     
  8. 04sleeper

    04sleeper Runs On "Liquid Gold" Staff Member Super Moderator

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    How are your STFT's? Have you datalogged them to see if they are in range?
     
  9. dan04gt

    dan04gt Member Established Member

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    Aren't All of Whipple's superchargers 50 state smog legal?
     
  10. TheDarkness03

    TheDarkness03 MOAR DOTS!!! Established Member

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    hmmm, i checked their site and it said they're 50 state emissions compatible. i'm assuming they might come with a carb e.o. sticker then? :??:
     
  11. suaveflooder

    suaveflooder 500 hp grocery getter Established Member

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    I would put your stock "H" back on. If you don't have one, I do in my garage. Just PM me if you need it. You went from 4 cats to 2 to start and from what I hear, our cars fail all the time with aftermarket midpipes, but will pass in two seconds with the stock "H" back on. I do agree you need to get your tune checked if you didn't pass, though.
     
  12. thomas91169

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    Whipple's are CARB legal given you are running either a 3.5" or 3.25" pulley (if the tech even checks, or if they even care its a whipple, or they even realize its aftermarket)

    +1 on reverting to stock midpipe.

    Mine epic failed with the Bassani Catted X, same results as OP a few years back when i tried to sell the car with the Catted X. Blows roses with the stock midpipe. I just passed earlier today, had to get it smogged so i can sell it. Wasnt worried at all with the stock midpipe, it passed awesomely, everything was under the average results, mods in sig and all i put back on was the stock airbox to pass underhood visual. What happens is one set of cats scrubbs Co2, and the other scrubbs NOx, without two sets of two cats, one set gets overrun with either-or, usually fails NOx. Its nothing to do with the tune, and everything to do with the midpipe, throw the stocker on and go back.
     
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  13. Jomo1994z71

    Jomo1994z71 Can I get a KB WooWee! Established Member

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    Great thread...glad I'm keepin' the stocker if I ever have to do emissions...
     
  14. TheDarkness03

    TheDarkness03 MOAR DOTS!!! Established Member

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    just for the record, are KB's carb legal as well???
     
  15. doubleblack

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    Whipples have better language written in their carb approval letter. Main reason i went whipple. In the letter they mention upgraded injectors, reflash or chip, air cleaner. Search is down right now, otherwise I'd post the link. Someone will have it.

    Thanks for all the help, I'll be putting on my stock H.
     
  16. doubleblack

    doubleblack New Member Established Member

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    Thanks for the informative post, it big time convinces me. Do you remember how bad your NOx's were w/ the aftermarket cats?
     
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    doubleblack

    I have the SCT PRP too !! Your AFR's are too LEAN !! I would try to removing about 2/3 degrees of timming at low and mid RPM's. Give me a call @ 858-569-7438 if you use my help !!! :thumbsup:

    Allen
     
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    I hope that day never comes! All hail FL and not doing emissions anymore.
     
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    Yes, HAIL FLORIDA for pushing their pollution on someone else!! HAIL FL!
     
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    Go hug a tree or save a whale or something.
     

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