difference in 01 cobra and 03 mach
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The Mach1s have improved heads from the factory and not to mention the obvious the shaker is like having a second intake.
The word was that the Mach's were underrated. Couldn't have a non-SVT vehicle making more power than a SVT (01's at the time).
I know your question is a technical one but to address the differences from an experience point of view I've driven both cars in stock form. The cobra had a stiffer clutch, definitely a stronger pull in first second and third gear. Both the Mach and Cobra felt the same in 4th and 5th gear though. It felt like the cobra clutch hooked harder than the mach in those early shifts. also the steering was much stiffer in the cobra (actually harder to turn the wheel). I own a 2004 mach 1 and i was driving a buddy's 01 Cobra. The Mach was an easier drive.
ok ok......DO NOT believe that 305 rating. Look at the Dyno numbers of stock machs.
What's different motor wise? Not too much.
The mach has different head design, intake cams suited better for low-mid TQ, different upper intake, different TB, 10:1 CR (slightly more than 9.85 of Cobra). Mach's have a WAP block and Cobra's have Teksid blocks (nothing to do with rated power though). Cobra's intake cams are setup for mid-upper HP because of Duration difference.
The cars themselves?....machs optioned with an Auto but had a lower redline and cast iron crank. They had a solid rear with 3.55s. Mid 01 ford went to the 3650 tranny, so all 99s and some 01 had the T45 tranny. Cobra's have IRS with 3.27s, and slightly different suspension.
That's all I can recall right now.
What's different motor wise? Not too much.
The mach has different head design, intake cams suited better for low-mid TQ, different upper intake, different TB, 10:1 CR (slightly more than 9.85 of Cobra). Mach's have a WAP block and Cobra's have Teksid blocks (nothing to do with rated power though). Cobra's intake cams are setup for mid-upper HP because of Duration difference.
The cars themselves?....machs optioned with an Auto but had a lower redline and cast iron crank. They had a solid rear with 3.55s. Mid 01 ford went to the 3650 tranny, so all 99s and some 01 had the T45 tranny. Cobra's have IRS with 3.27s, and slightly different suspension.
That's all I can recall right now.
They have the same TB and not all 99 cobras have the Teksid block. A buddy had a 99 cobra and the best he could get was a 9.0 in the 1/8 with exhaust and prochamber and some other little things and im at 8.5 in the 1/8 with CAI and some 315 street tires so i dont think the cobras out power the mach 1, if anything its the other way around.
Pretty much covered...
Different heads (advantage Mach)
Slightly revised intake casting (advantage Mach)
Slightly different compression (advantage Mach)
Different intake cams (advantage Cobra)
Machs usually dyno a tiny bit higher, especially on torque.
If either engine is making more real world power, it's the Mach... but overall they are very close.
Since the Cobra is rated at 320/317, the Mach probably should have been rated 325/330 to be more realistic.
Different heads (advantage Mach)
Slightly revised intake casting (advantage Mach)
Slightly different compression (advantage Mach)
Different intake cams (advantage Cobra)
Machs usually dyno a tiny bit higher, especially on torque.
If either engine is making more real world power, it's the Mach... but overall they are very close.
Since the Cobra is rated at 320/317, the Mach probably should have been rated 325/330 to be more realistic.
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01 Cobras did not have the teksid blocks. But basically he nailed it on the head right there.
all 99 Cobra's had the Teksid's, If your friend doesn't have one it may have been a swapped block r someone blew the motor before him. it was the last year for them. MarkVIII's also had the Teksids as well.
I could have sworn the cobra's had a round TB, not Oval. I must be mixing up the 96-98 with the 99-01 on that part.
did your buddy have the 'fix'?
The 01's had a WAP? I don't wanna second guess you as you owned one and I have not, but I could have sworn it was:01 Cobras did not have the teksid blocks. But basically he nailed it on the head right there.
all 99 Cobra's had the Teksid's, If your friend doesn't have one it may have been a swapped block r someone blew the motor before him. it was the last year for them. MarkVIII's also had the Teksids as well.
96-98 Romeo/Teksid
99-01 Teksid
03-04 Cast Iron.
:lol: - I'd use one if I could. But I think the Mach WAP is fine.
some 01s have the WAP but a lot of the 01s have came with a Teksid...mine is a mid production car and it came with a teksid
OK..that's what I was thinking. I recall you telling me that before. For some reason I thought they went to the 3650 and Wap at the same time. Prior to that it was the teksid and T45.
Oh..and :bash: on my romeo comment. No romeo blocks for those. I shouldn't have said that.
actually all the 01 Cobras came with the POS 3650 as well
the GTs however switched mid run to the 3650 from the T45
As for blocks
96-98, 99 Teksid
01 teksid and WAP...i have seen more Teksid than WAP
the 3650 is worse tranny than the T-45? i kinda like the tranny better than my previous T-45. reverse was soooo difficult at times. the 3650 feels smoother too
Hmm..I thought the first run of 01's had the T45 along with the GT's.
The OP's question has been answered.......but what the hell Ill add to it. The Machs were UNDER RATED!
That became obvious to me and my friend the first time we took his bone stock 04 Mach 1 out and had a couple of street runs. Then it didnt take long for the info to hit the mags and the interwebs to validate our findings. He dynoed circa 285 rwhp stock and then 296 rwhp with just a catted x pipe, weld in flows, and K&N filter. Way off the 305 crank hp rating.
That became obvious to me and my friend the first time we took his bone stock 04 Mach 1 out and had a couple of street runs. Then it didnt take long for the info to hit the mags and the interwebs to validate our findings. He dynoed circa 285 rwhp stock and then 296 rwhp with just a catted x pipe, weld in flows, and K&N filter. Way off the 305 crank hp rating.
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Shaker hood, Gears 3.55's not 3.27's. Tr3650 trans not the T-45/T-5 in the '01 cobra. 2003 Terminator Cobra factory heads and 2003 Terminator Cobra forged crank also came in the Mach1 and not in the '01 Cobra
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once again
All 01 Cobras have the 3650 trans, and ALL MODULAR COBRAS HAVE A FORGED CRANK
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