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<blockquote data-quote="walt460" data-source="post: 13775875" data-attributes="member: 100445"><p>Americansteel,</p><p></p><p>OK, let me explain. The 5.0L Coyote engine Controls Pak sold by Ford Racing does come with a Copperhead module and the software in that module is "locked" or "blocked", meaning is is very very difficult to change.</p><p></p><p>However, Production 2011-2014 5.0L Mustang 5.0L engines also come with a Copperhead control module, and SCT (and others) </p><p>makes programming software that will allow owners to make changes to the existing production calibration.</p><p></p><p>Now if you take that production 2011-2014 5.0L Coyote engine out of the Mustang, it is VERY difficult to make it run correctly, it either does not run or it runs in a default mode that really limits performance. All 2011 and newer Mustangs and F150s have a "vehicle integrated" powertrain control system. If all the correct modules and sensors from within the whole vehicle (air bag, ABS, stability control, etc.) are not present and functioning correctly, the PCM does not work or works with limited function. And even if you do connect everything up, if the readings do not match expected values, you fail. Very difficult, but just another challenge for us die-hard guys.</p><p></p><p>And you are correct, the Ecoboost PCM is also copperhead based, but it is a different design and is made by Bosch due to the Direct Injection system being used (or so I have been told.) As far as the "vehicle integrated" control system, it functions the same and some F150s have 11 to 14 modules interconnected.</p><p></p><p>Let's just say that there will be a solution coming soon that makes a lot of these engine swaps a lot easier, and allows you to use the factory PCM and engine wiring. That is why I have started passing along information about swapping the F150 Ecoboost into other vehicles; the control electronics issues for the Ecoboost will soon have solution.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="walt460, post: 13775875, member: 100445"] Americansteel, OK, let me explain. The 5.0L Coyote engine Controls Pak sold by Ford Racing does come with a Copperhead module and the software in that module is "locked" or "blocked", meaning is is very very difficult to change. However, Production 2011-2014 5.0L Mustang 5.0L engines also come with a Copperhead control module, and SCT (and others) makes programming software that will allow owners to make changes to the existing production calibration. Now if you take that production 2011-2014 5.0L Coyote engine out of the Mustang, it is VERY difficult to make it run correctly, it either does not run or it runs in a default mode that really limits performance. All 2011 and newer Mustangs and F150s have a "vehicle integrated" powertrain control system. If all the correct modules and sensors from within the whole vehicle (air bag, ABS, stability control, etc.) are not present and functioning correctly, the PCM does not work or works with limited function. And even if you do connect everything up, if the readings do not match expected values, you fail. Very difficult, but just another challenge for us die-hard guys. And you are correct, the Ecoboost PCM is also copperhead based, but it is a different design and is made by Bosch due to the Direct Injection system being used (or so I have been told.) As far as the "vehicle integrated" control system, it functions the same and some F150s have 11 to 14 modules interconnected. Let's just say that there will be a solution coming soon that makes a lot of these engine swaps a lot easier, and allows you to use the factory PCM and engine wiring. That is why I have started passing along information about swapping the F150 Ecoboost into other vehicles; the control electronics issues for the Ecoboost will soon have solution. [/QUOTE]
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