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CTS-V Vs. GT500 w/PP Drag Race
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<blockquote data-quote="Robert M" data-source="post: 9923932" data-attributes="member: 9628"><p>Nope, no racing license for the 2000 Cobra R, anyone with $54,995+ could buy one. The 1995 Cobra R required a sanctioned racing license, but that was to "show intent" to race, it had a title and was fully street legal. The 1LE is very much like the Cobra R, stripped of options (radio, a/c, sound deadener, etc.) for a more competitive use. The main difference that I know of between a 1LE and a Cobra R (1995 or 2000) is the fiberglass hood and Fuel Safe cell in the R-Model, and I don't think they 1LE was offered in the 2000 time frame, but the fact that the Camaro guys cryed foul because the Cobra R was a lighter weight race car was misguided, IMHO. They should have been begging for the magazine editors to test the 1LE with the 1993 and 1995 Cobra R, not bash the Cobra R's, they had an "R model" of their own that was fully street legal 1LE optioned Camaro. </p><p></p><p>I can think of no time in history when the Mustang was real competition for the top performing Covette of a specific year. It was always a "pony car thing", Mustang, Camaro, etc. When the Camaro went away, Ford kicked it up a notch or two. For Ford to even think about picking a fight with the top of the line Corvette using a Mustang was a big deal, but the Mustang was not even given credit for this venture. I feel SVT should have been given some credit. Yes, I must admit I do not know the specs on the handling and braking of the 03 Cobra vs. the Z06. To many magazine readers, acceleration is the big deal, and if the car can handle even half way decent, that is all that is required for a street car purchase, and then of course some require a rear seat. So again, for a little 4.6DOHC Mustang to be blasting down the 1/4 mile along side a top of the line Corvette, that is a huge deal.</p><p></p><p>As for price and targeted market...................</p><p></p><p>Yes, the GT500 is well above the Camaro SS in $$$, and the SRT-8 is in that same higher $$$ range, but I thought that the magazines were test arenas for these cars, state the facts both performance and $$$ across the board, and let the buyer decide from that point what fits their desire, wants and especially wallet, not exclude certain cars from certain tests (or at least the information related to those cars) for price considerations. If the 425 horse Camaro is the best that GM has to offer from the assy. line, also mention the performance specs of the best that Ford has to offer in the Mustang and let the buyer decide, don't just bring in a much lower powered Mustang for test comparision and give a small "blurb" that there is also a GT500 Shelby available. </p><p></p><p>It seems that the SRT-8 Challenger and the Camaro SS were well behind in performance from the beginning. Unless things are very strange, a 500, 540 or 550hp. S/C'ed car and a 425hp car are not going to produce the same numbers if they are anywhere close in weight. The GT500 set the mark at 500hp, back in 2007, 425/426 won't cut it. </p><p></p><p>I feel that now, Finally Ford has also gotten the message that the mid priced Mustang needs more power to compete in the $35Kish range, and it is the 412 horse GT. Now the power and price levels are comparable. Next, the Camaro better step up with some h.p., but with that h.p. will come extra $$$, so here we go well up into the $40's. Factory Horse power/performance costs $$$. The Challenger, Fiat? who knows? :shrug:</p><p></p><p>The Cadillac in this discussion? it just popped in to play, and show what "possibly" may be on the horizon for the Camaro. I welcome all of this, it is exciting!!! I guess I am different from some on this forum, I like performance cars, all of them, and I appreciate what each manufacturer brings to the testing.</p><p></p><p>R</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Robert M, post: 9923932, member: 9628"] Nope, no racing license for the 2000 Cobra R, anyone with $54,995+ could buy one. The 1995 Cobra R required a sanctioned racing license, but that was to "show intent" to race, it had a title and was fully street legal. The 1LE is very much like the Cobra R, stripped of options (radio, a/c, sound deadener, etc.) for a more competitive use. The main difference that I know of between a 1LE and a Cobra R (1995 or 2000) is the fiberglass hood and Fuel Safe cell in the R-Model, and I don't think they 1LE was offered in the 2000 time frame, but the fact that the Camaro guys cryed foul because the Cobra R was a lighter weight race car was misguided, IMHO. They should have been begging for the magazine editors to test the 1LE with the 1993 and 1995 Cobra R, not bash the Cobra R's, they had an "R model" of their own that was fully street legal 1LE optioned Camaro. I can think of no time in history when the Mustang was real competition for the top performing Covette of a specific year. It was always a "pony car thing", Mustang, Camaro, etc. When the Camaro went away, Ford kicked it up a notch or two. For Ford to even think about picking a fight with the top of the line Corvette using a Mustang was a big deal, but the Mustang was not even given credit for this venture. I feel SVT should have been given some credit. Yes, I must admit I do not know the specs on the handling and braking of the 03 Cobra vs. the Z06. To many magazine readers, acceleration is the big deal, and if the car can handle even half way decent, that is all that is required for a street car purchase, and then of course some require a rear seat. So again, for a little 4.6DOHC Mustang to be blasting down the 1/4 mile along side a top of the line Corvette, that is a huge deal. As for price and targeted market................... Yes, the GT500 is well above the Camaro SS in $$$, and the SRT-8 is in that same higher $$$ range, but I thought that the magazines were test arenas for these cars, state the facts both performance and $$$ across the board, and let the buyer decide from that point what fits their desire, wants and especially wallet, not exclude certain cars from certain tests (or at least the information related to those cars) for price considerations. If the 425 horse Camaro is the best that GM has to offer from the assy. line, also mention the performance specs of the best that Ford has to offer in the Mustang and let the buyer decide, don't just bring in a much lower powered Mustang for test comparision and give a small "blurb" that there is also a GT500 Shelby available. It seems that the SRT-8 Challenger and the Camaro SS were well behind in performance from the beginning. Unless things are very strange, a 500, 540 or 550hp. S/C'ed car and a 425hp car are not going to produce the same numbers if they are anywhere close in weight. The GT500 set the mark at 500hp, back in 2007, 425/426 won't cut it. I feel that now, Finally Ford has also gotten the message that the mid priced Mustang needs more power to compete in the $35Kish range, and it is the 412 horse GT. Now the power and price levels are comparable. Next, the Camaro better step up with some h.p., but with that h.p. will come extra $$$, so here we go well up into the $40's. Factory Horse power/performance costs $$$. The Challenger, Fiat? who knows? :shrug: The Cadillac in this discussion? it just popped in to play, and show what "possibly" may be on the horizon for the Camaro. I welcome all of this, it is exciting!!! I guess I am different from some on this forum, I like performance cars, all of them, and I appreciate what each manufacturer brings to the testing. R [/QUOTE]
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