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2013-14 Shelby GT500
GT500 vs. ZL1.
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<blockquote data-quote="thePill" data-source="post: 11572740" data-attributes="member: 119504"><p>"Track-Ready" is a buzz word used by Team Camaro to market a car that should have been the Z28. As the Track star progressed through development, and the unavailing of the Boss 302, the Z28 mutated into a large, overweight track hog. Fast as it might be, weight is the ultimate enemy. a 4200lb car places an extremely large workload on the brakes, suspension and tires. The ZL1 comes from the factory with <strong>DOT 3 fluid</strong>... That is NOT track ready. What about the drag strip, that is still considered a track right? Motor Trend is using corrected times, unless anybody thinks a Boss 302 can run a 12.4 at 4400 feet. In fact, every single magazine seemed to be using corrected times (even the 12.9)... Why? Because a corrected run is easier to do and with high levels of intelligence, GM chose to perform a test at 4400 feet at a not so popular track. The ZL1 instantly became a drag racing flop..... It obviously wasn't ready for that track... We can't really brag about its performance at Inde because there are no real times posted for any other car other than the Boss 302 and GTR.</p><p></p><p>Now, on to VIR where everyone knows the head to head will be (I said this a few weeks ago). Team Camaro had an existing video of a 2011 GT500 SVTPP to base their run on. Why not just grab a 2012 GT500 and go head to head instead of racing a 2 year old video? It's nice and cool, the GT500 would love to run at those temperatures instead of mid summer... The ZL1 will probably beat the 2011 GT500 at VIR, why not prove it? It is a clever marketing scheme, we are overweight, underpowered and was originally intended to be a Z28... The quarter mile is a big part of American life so... lets try to change the standard.</p><p></p><p>VIR was run, same day as another supercharged beast was (the ZR1). Claiming the top US performance lineup... But why no Z06? No CTS-V? </p><p></p><p>Being "Track Ready' was instantly confused by Camaro5 fans as being Competition Ready. They believe that once the steering wheel is in their hand, it will magically transport them to the podium and on to a championship. This assumption is WRONG. Even if the Boss 302 was competition ready, it still had to fight its way through GS, GTS and T2. The ZL1 is not prepared for the track, the only legal classes you can run MagnaRide in SCCA is STO, T1, T2, T3 and Showroom Stock. You cannot use the LSA in anything other than Showroom Stock and I don't even think the ZL1 has been registered yet. NASA and SCCA Solo is pretty much an uphill battle for a 4200lb car with mild to heavy understeer. </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, back to open track days and the NEW standard in the pony car segment. What we are currently witnessing, is basically an evolution of a drag race. A one lap race that proves the car can handle but just like a typical drag race, can it accomplish the feet over and over again. Is the ZL1 really ready to go head to head with real track stars? No... Would it be a fine basis to build a track car? No... I would take an SS first. Can it move its weight to produce a quick lap? Sure, but can it do it more than once. Ford isn't really marketing the car as a competitive road course car... you have the option to build it that way but most GT500's will be destroying pavement and asphalt. GM sees the drag race now as a sub standard measurement of performance. If an ass kicking is abound, then change the damn subject... These two cars (Mustang and Camaro in general) try very hard to be track ready competition cars. The Boss 302 and GT are pretty much pulling it off... The Camaro? Not so much. This "Track Ready" nonsense will continue, until Ford redefines the Pony Car in 2015... and then watch the old ZL1's have their asses handed to them by a 5.0 GT.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BhexMmR2CQk/T0ytnaMeQXI/AAAAAAAABrI/r2cJycF3DcY/s1600/first-camaro-zl1-crash-top-gear-usa-consulting-producer-42961-7.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thePill, post: 11572740, member: 119504"] "Track-Ready" is a buzz word used by Team Camaro to market a car that should have been the Z28. As the Track star progressed through development, and the unavailing of the Boss 302, the Z28 mutated into a large, overweight track hog. Fast as it might be, weight is the ultimate enemy. a 4200lb car places an extremely large workload on the brakes, suspension and tires. The ZL1 comes from the factory with [B]DOT 3 fluid[/B]... That is NOT track ready. What about the drag strip, that is still considered a track right? Motor Trend is using corrected times, unless anybody thinks a Boss 302 can run a 12.4 at 4400 feet. In fact, every single magazine seemed to be using corrected times (even the 12.9)... Why? Because a corrected run is easier to do and with high levels of intelligence, GM chose to perform a test at 4400 feet at a not so popular track. The ZL1 instantly became a drag racing flop..... It obviously wasn't ready for that track... We can't really brag about its performance at Inde because there are no real times posted for any other car other than the Boss 302 and GTR. Now, on to VIR where everyone knows the head to head will be (I said this a few weeks ago). Team Camaro had an existing video of a 2011 GT500 SVTPP to base their run on. Why not just grab a 2012 GT500 and go head to head instead of racing a 2 year old video? It's nice and cool, the GT500 would love to run at those temperatures instead of mid summer... The ZL1 will probably beat the 2011 GT500 at VIR, why not prove it? It is a clever marketing scheme, we are overweight, underpowered and was originally intended to be a Z28... The quarter mile is a big part of American life so... lets try to change the standard. VIR was run, same day as another supercharged beast was (the ZR1). Claiming the top US performance lineup... But why no Z06? No CTS-V? Being "Track Ready' was instantly confused by Camaro5 fans as being Competition Ready. They believe that once the steering wheel is in their hand, it will magically transport them to the podium and on to a championship. This assumption is WRONG. Even if the Boss 302 was competition ready, it still had to fight its way through GS, GTS and T2. The ZL1 is not prepared for the track, the only legal classes you can run MagnaRide in SCCA is STO, T1, T2, T3 and Showroom Stock. You cannot use the LSA in anything other than Showroom Stock and I don't even think the ZL1 has been registered yet. NASA and SCCA Solo is pretty much an uphill battle for a 4200lb car with mild to heavy understeer. So, back to open track days and the NEW standard in the pony car segment. What we are currently witnessing, is basically an evolution of a drag race. A one lap race that proves the car can handle but just like a typical drag race, can it accomplish the feet over and over again. Is the ZL1 really ready to go head to head with real track stars? No... Would it be a fine basis to build a track car? No... I would take an SS first. Can it move its weight to produce a quick lap? Sure, but can it do it more than once. Ford isn't really marketing the car as a competitive road course car... you have the option to build it that way but most GT500's will be destroying pavement and asphalt. GM sees the drag race now as a sub standard measurement of performance. If an ass kicking is abound, then change the damn subject... These two cars (Mustang and Camaro in general) try very hard to be track ready competition cars. The Boss 302 and GT are pretty much pulling it off... The Camaro? Not so much. This "Track Ready" nonsense will continue, until Ford redefines the Pony Car in 2015... and then watch the old ZL1's have their asses handed to them by a 5.0 GT. [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BhexMmR2CQk/T0ytnaMeQXI/AAAAAAAABrI/r2cJycF3DcY/s1600/first-camaro-zl1-crash-top-gear-usa-consulting-producer-42961-7.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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