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Unhappy with Carbotech 1521 Bobcat street pads.
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<blockquote data-quote="TheFleshRocket" data-source="post: 10985681" data-attributes="member: 48535"><p>Yeah, having low dust levels (and non-corrosive dust) is important, but I'm not willing to compromise braking power (especially to levels lower than stock) to achieve it.</p><p></p><p>It's funny that you consider the RT-615 as fairly decent tires--IMO they're friggin' terrible and I can't wait to replace them. They may have decent grip, but definitely not when cold or even warm--they need to be HOT to not suck horribly. I've always had traction problems on the street. On an 80F+ summer day, after driving for several miles to warm up the tires, I can still punch it in second in a straight line and spin all the way to redline. After I do that several times, they'll finally be hot enough to actually maintain traction in second while going straight. In cooler temps, even half throttle in third gear will get the tires spinning. My car is an intake/pulley/tune/exhaust setup with ~450 to the wheels, so not exactly a monster. </p><p></p><p>When I did a track day at Putnam Park in the Spring, ambient was pretty chilly-it finally got up to the lows 50s in the afternoon. The RT-615s had such pathetic grip even after half a dozen laps that EVERYTHING was passing me. I'd be going through a corner at the edge of traction, and other cars (the lowliest of which was a current model Focus) would come up on my inside, waiting for me to wave them past. And Putnam is a track I've got plenty of experience with on two wheels, so it wasn't like it was the car itself or my skill level holding me back--it was those damn crappy tires.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, that's a reasonable observation. That said, there are some bike brake pad compounds that dust alot, some that dust moderately, and some that dust almost not at all. There are also pads with varying degrees of stopping power. What I found significant is that some of the pad compounds that have great stopping power also have extremely low dust levels. Now while a 3600 lb car has a lot more brake pad material and therefore a lot more potential for dust than a sub-500 lb bike, it should still be possible that there are pads with great stopping power that have (relatively speaking, at least) very low levels of dust. What I'm getting at is that there should be brake pads that have excellent stopping power that don't dust any more than the least dusty lower-performance brake pads. Or at least that's how it seems to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheFleshRocket, post: 10985681, member: 48535"] Yeah, having low dust levels (and non-corrosive dust) is important, but I'm not willing to compromise braking power (especially to levels lower than stock) to achieve it. It's funny that you consider the RT-615 as fairly decent tires--IMO they're friggin' terrible and I can't wait to replace them. They may have decent grip, but definitely not when cold or even warm--they need to be HOT to not suck horribly. I've always had traction problems on the street. On an 80F+ summer day, after driving for several miles to warm up the tires, I can still punch it in second in a straight line and spin all the way to redline. After I do that several times, they'll finally be hot enough to actually maintain traction in second while going straight. In cooler temps, even half throttle in third gear will get the tires spinning. My car is an intake/pulley/tune/exhaust setup with ~450 to the wheels, so not exactly a monster. When I did a track day at Putnam Park in the Spring, ambient was pretty chilly-it finally got up to the lows 50s in the afternoon. The RT-615s had such pathetic grip even after half a dozen laps that EVERYTHING was passing me. I'd be going through a corner at the edge of traction, and other cars (the lowliest of which was a current model Focus) would come up on my inside, waiting for me to wave them past. And Putnam is a track I've got plenty of experience with on two wheels, so it wasn't like it was the car itself or my skill level holding me back--it was those damn crappy tires. Sure, that's a reasonable observation. That said, there are some bike brake pad compounds that dust alot, some that dust moderately, and some that dust almost not at all. There are also pads with varying degrees of stopping power. What I found significant is that some of the pad compounds that have great stopping power also have extremely low dust levels. Now while a 3600 lb car has a lot more brake pad material and therefore a lot more potential for dust than a sub-500 lb bike, it should still be possible that there are pads with great stopping power that have (relatively speaking, at least) very low levels of dust. What I'm getting at is that there should be brake pads that have excellent stopping power that don't dust any more than the least dusty lower-performance brake pads. Or at least that's how it seems to me. [/QUOTE]
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