First 2018 Shelby GT500 Spy Video

[DepWraith]

As you know, Ford and every other manufacturer have to keep their MPG under a certain number, fleet wide. It's been a factor in the last few engine choices with the GT500 and I just don't think going up in displacement would help this venture any. That being said, I have other reasons for my statement and either way I look forward to seeing what motor they decide to mate up to the auto finally.

 

[IcebourgGT500]

Check out the "All New" 5.2 liter Aluminator Crate Engine. Forged internals with a traditional crank. 580 hp and 450 tg with no power adder. The all new TVS2 blower would sound like a great option for this engine. Engine revs to 8000 rpm as well. I don't see why this combo would not make close to 700+ HP and 650 TQ. Sounds like an easy option for the 2018 GT500 with out adding a bunch of weight to the car. Just my 2 cents.....

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

As you know, Ford and every other manufacturer have to keep their MPG under a certain number, fleet wide. It's been a factor in the last few engine choices with the GT500 and I just don't think going up in displacement would help this venture any. That being said, I have other reasons for my statement and either way I look forward to seeing what motor they decide to mate up to the auto finally.

That's not how it works. They have to meet averages for their cars and then their trucks, not individual vehicles or submodels. With how well their vehicles meet CAFE standards thwy can practically do whatever they want with the Ford Performance vehicles.

 

[biminiLX]

Check out the "All New" 5.2 liter Aluminator Crate Engine. Forged internals with a traditional crank. 580 hp and 450 tg with no power adder. The all new TVS2 blower would sound like a great option for this engine. Engine revs to 8000 rpm as well. I don't see why this combo would not make close to 700+ HP and 650 TQ. Sounds like an easy option for the 2018 GT500 with out adding a bunch of weight to the car. Just my 2 cents.....

Actually that is my plan with my True Street '91 LX, using this crate engine and a badass tweaked 88mm single or twin turbos, with an SFI 3-speed T400 to replace my 427W/AOD.
As far as the GT500, the 5.2 breathes so well, low boost twin turbo and DI/port combo EFI with the 10-speed auto would be my wish list.
We have a first gen Raptor 6.2 motor to do a build with and there is so much potential with that motor, especially aluminum block, DOHC heads. Now that they kept it alive in the Super Duty maybe we can hope, but I doubt Mustang will get anything but 5.0/5.2 architecture.
I still think my '14 GT500 and the big stroke, blown Trinity with manual trans and stick axle is the last of the breed, but the new S550 SVT products will not disappoint.
No beans to spill on the 5.2 until I formally start the project, but I want to start with Coyote base until the MMR billet block becomes reasonable.
Any insiders here with ANY hints on GT500?
Google Ferrari 488GTB factory engine video on you tube and see/hear TT flat crank potential. If you're in Vegas, I suggest driving one at the Dream Racing experience, worth every penny!
-J

 

[93 347 Cobra]

Won't meet MPG requirements with a 6.2...a boosted 5.0 with the 10 speed auto would though.

If I had to pick after seeing that video from a 5.2 or a 6.2, I would say 6.2.

Just something about the older mod motors and their exhaust notes.

I guess I've been inarticulate, I don't mean a 6.2. I mean a 5.6-5.9 liter (likely 5.8) based off of the 6.2's wider bore spacing. I'm not an engineer but I get the impression that altering an engine's bore spacing requires all-new tooling at the engine plant and is very expensive.In a low-volume car like the GT500 couldn't be justified from a business standpoint. Altering deck-height doesn't really cost anything. Chopping down the deck a bit would help make the engine about as tall and wide as a Coyote, but slightly longer. With the shortened stroke they wouldn't need all that deck height anyway and it helps immensely with packaging. Making it out of aluminum with plasma bores and DOHC heads with some nice forged rods would send the competition into a frenzy.

 

[93 347 Cobra]

I enjoy analyzing things and speculating so I hope the number of responses I've given isn't bothersome. I'm just sitting in the airport right now so....

I think the Trinity 5.8 was so close to cracking 700 as it sat. We all found that the throttle body and resonator were restrictive. Redesigning a larger throttle body might have been too expensive to justify for 10,000 production engines so we got stuck with twin 60. The resonator was for drive-by noise requirements. Those two items replaced added at least 35 ponies. Imagine the same displacement engine with higher flowing heads, larger valves, and variable cam timing. Plus the oversquare setup with shorter stroke enables a better rod ratio and less piston speed for a full-time 7k redline.

According to Eaton's website the TVS2 is quieter and has magnesium rotors so no need for a resonator and less parasitic losses. 750 could be such a walk in the park that they could run less boost for lower combustion temps and less strain on the components.

 

[txcharlie]

Reading the whitepaper on the TVS2 and it states that it is tailtored for the needs of compound boost. That would be a first for Ford. It probably won't happen, but we can dream.

 

[93 347 Cobra]

Reading the whitepaper on the TVS2 and it states that it is tailtored for the needs of compound boost. That would be a first for Ford. It probably won't happen, but we can dream.

Keep browsing their site, that's only their primary marketing pitch for it. They have applications for max power for larger cube engines.

 

[GraffitiG11]

I just need a supercharged V8 and my mind will be at ease.

 

[ObieFox]

Sure, but the 911 went from a 3.8L NA flat 6 to a 3.0L TT F6. The Boxster/Cayman went from a 3.4L NA F6 to a 2.0L TT F4. When the turbos are added, displacement always always goes down and sometimes the number of cylinders as well.

Seriously though, the Ford GT(40) has always been a V8 and now it's a TT V6. The raptor and all other HP Ford trucks have always been V8 and now it's a TT V6. You think the next super HiPo Mustang can't be a TT V6 just because of a little history with the brand?

Clearly the engine in the car in the vid is a V8, which is why I'm saying it's probably a modified GT350 or the same one we've seen this whole time but with a different exhaust. Nothing about that car tells me it's a GT500 prototype.

X2 Agree completely. I think this is just a GT350 platform with styling enhancements covered up.

The next GT500 will be a V6 IMO.

 

[93 347 Cobra]

The next GT500 will be a V6 IMO.

Seriously!? That's the ONE thing we know for sure about this car, that it's a V8. It's literally the only thing that's been confirmed. Those examples he posted were not even relevant, AT ALL.

 

[black99lightnin]

So it's been confirmed there will be a next GT500?

 

[Breitling]

Check out the "All New" 5.2 liter Aluminator Crate Engine. Forged internals with a traditional crank. 580 hp and 450 tg with no power adder. The all new TVS2 blower would sound like a great option for this engine. Engine revs to 8000 rpm as well. I don't see why this combo would not make close to 700+ HP and 650 TQ. Sounds like an easy option for the 2018 GT500 with out adding a bunch of weight to the car. Just my 2 cents.....

I'm just catching up on this thread and think this may be a viable option. Good work!

 

[Breitling]

I enjoy analyzing things and speculating so I hope the number of responses I've given isn't bothersome. I'm just sitting in the airport right now so....

I think the Trinity 5.8 was so close to cracking 700 as it sat. We all found that the throttle body and resonator were restrictive. Redesigning a larger throttle body might have been too expensive to justify for 10,000 production engines so we got stuck with twin 60. The resonator was for drive-by noise requirements. Those two items replaced added at least 35 ponies. Imagine the same displacement engine with higher flowing heads, larger valves, and variable cam timing. Plus the oversquare setup with shorter stroke enables a better rod ratio and less piston speed for a full-time 7k redline.

According to Eaton's website the TVS2 is quieter and has magnesium rotors so no need for a resonator and less parasitic losses. 750 could be such a walk in the park that they could run less boost for lower combustion temps and less strain on the components.

Another great viewpoint. Well done, sir!

 

[ObieFox]

Seriously!? That's the ONE thing we know for sure about this car, that it's a V8. It's literally the only thing that's been confirmed. Those examples he posted were not even relevant, AT ALL.

About what car? The car in the video? If so, I don't think that is a GT500 mule regardless, so it having or not having a V8 under the hood is a pointless discussion. Did I miss where Ford confirmed that this test car was the new GT500??

 

[93 347 Cobra]

So it's been confirmed there will be a next GT500?

Which forum are you posting on? Has SVTP ever been so wrong that they created an entire forum on false info?

I'm just catching up on this thread and think this may be a viable option. Good work!

I agree, it's either the 5.2 similar to that or the larger displacement I've been endlessly pontificating about.

Another great viewpoint. Well done, sir!

Thank you.

About what car? The car in the video? If so, I don't think that is a GT500 mule regardless, so it having or not having a V8 under the hood is a pointless discussion. Did I miss where Ford confirmed that this test car was the new GT500??

Ford is unusually mum on details but it makes sense. The Challengers/Chargers are heading over to a much lighter Giorgio platform and dropping 500 or so pounds (as already stated by the Mopar fans here). I'd imagine FCA will throw an aluminum block and some minor engine revisions or slight bump in boost at the next-gen Hellcat to hit 750. It will be a much more all-around competitive car at 3900-4000 curb weight. Viper is gone so handling will be a key focus for FCA.

Chevy is also rumored to be working on an LT5 producing 750 ponies. With high-end Corvettes going mid-engine it frees up team Camaro to go for top dog front-engine RWD config for Chevy brand. I'd imagine we'll see Camaro get an unexpected redesign due to its abysmal sales and Al O. reassigned somewhere else within Chevy as a result of the failure. But then again, it is GM so who knows...

Ford is going to be in a competitive 3-way dogfight for the top-dog super-muscle car. By 2019 we could likely see all of the Big 3 with 725+ horse musclecars at under 4000-lb curbweights. As Ford fans let's hope they keep up the secrecy.

 

[Snorman]

I'm all for more power, but let's hope that Ford gives us a chassis capable of supporting the power that the GT500 will make.
The S197 cars were a hoot on the street and at the dragstrip (if you could get past the "electronic powertrain feature"/torque management issues), but on the track they quickly overpowered the brakes and chassis. Adding more power to the car didn't really return much in terms of lap times.
BIG brakes, more capable dampers and an eLSD would be nice. I'd also LOVE to see one of the manufacturers come out with something similar to GM's PDR. That's in immensely useful tool for using at the track. Very excited to see what Ford does with this one!
S.

 

[ObieFox]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018...1EE0073D0EAE8A26E45B307E8A9B29193D739833A1073

 

[black99lightnin]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018...1EE0073D0EAE8A26E45B307E8A9B29193D739833A1073

So a freshened S550 with 2010 GT500 rims. They better have a ZL1 fighter soon.

 

[Recon]

It's getting good. Hellcats on diets. Rumors buzzing about the GT500 and ZR1. ZL1 and Z/28 should be out soon. The muscle cars are going to another level of standards and the Corvette continues to get better and better. Then they kill the Viper; hopefully it'll be back sometime. New and improved.


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