See the everyone's rides pic thread... I didnt end up with that yellow one..Holy shit I can’t imagine how fun that would be on a track.
Should be cheap enough to race too.
Wow, what a blast.
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See the everyone's rides pic thread... I didnt end up with that yellow one..Holy shit I can’t imagine how fun that would be on a track.
Should be cheap enough to race too.
Wow, what a blast.
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The Z1LE is a lot more aggressive of a car than the base 500, Im still not sure why anyone is suprised by it. It's going to be even closer to the CFTP with Pobst driving both on most other tracks. Too many people falling for the Billy J hype train and all the BS that was spread about it being faster than an ACR and FGT...but then the 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE beats the non-CFTP lap time:
1:58.7 on a (air-quote) **100% stock** (air-quote) w/RaceChrono Pro. I am curious about the GPS accuracy. Driver doesn't elaborate on the setup/telematics specifics.
I'll ask again, has the 2020 GT500 jumped the shark?
It would seem that the current model halo Camaro is faster than the non-CFTP version.
The CFTP version can't be had for MSRP (or even close).
Current Z06s/ZR1s are going for very aggressive prices.
Where is the value (other than Ford/Mustang allegiance) in the 2020 GT500?
Well the GT500 will destroy the 1LE in a straight line and be a lot more street friendly. A tire change will put the handling pack right where the ZLE is too.So then, why would _anyone_ (other than True Believers) buy a 2020 GT500? HP???
2020 Camaro ZL1 M6 1LE Extreme Track Performance Package has an MSRP of $72,195.
2020 Mustang GT500 w/Handling Pack/Recaros has an MSRP of $77,090.
IMHO, it feels like the 2020 GT500 is insignificant outside the Mustang World (again?).
Must. Beat. Crapmaro.
The real world price gap is much larger when you figure a likely 15%-ish off MSRP on the ZLE and a likely ADM on the 500. Plus, you get to keep the manual if that is a big deal to the buyer.So then, why would _anyone_ (other than True Believers) buy a 2020 GT500? HP???
2020 Camaro ZL1 M6 1LE Extreme Track Performance Package has an MSRP of $72,195.
2020 Mustang GT500 w/Handling Pack/Recaros has an MSRP of $77,090.
IMHO, it feels like the 2020 GT500 is insignificant outside the Mustang World (again?).
Must. Beat. Crapmaro.
So then, why would _anyone_ (other than True Believers) buy a 2020 GT500? HP???
2020 Camaro ZL1 M6 1LE Extreme Track Performance Package has an MSRP of $72,195.
2020 Mustang GT500 w/Handling Pack/Recaros has an MSRP of $77,090.
IMHO, it feels like the 2020 GT500 is insignificant outside the Mustang World (again?).
Must. Beat. Crapmaro.
If you like cheap, ugly interior design of the camaro and horrible visibility this is the car for you. Started back when I used to own a '12 ZL1 and still the same in the 1LE platform. No arguing the point the price they can be had at for what you get.
To make it worse, that 1le camaro can be had for $10-15k UNDER MSRP any day of the week almost anywhere in the nation.
The visibility is a problem. Ive driven a bunch of 6th gen mullets and i do not like that.
But to say the interior quality or design is better in a Mustang is laughable.
Yeah besides not fitting a helmet or 30 pack through the window easily, i don’t get this. I had a 16GT and 17GT350 and didn’t feel as if i was in a fishbowl.the visibility is not a problem either. 2 weeks into driving the car, you learn its angles and you never thing about it anymore.
What is your argument? That the ZL1 1LE ‘might’ beat the base GT500 and is $5k cheaper?So then, why would _anyone_ (other than True Believers) buy a 2020 GT500? HP???
2020 Camaro ZL1 M6 1LE Extreme Track Performance Package has an MSRP of $72,195.
2020 Mustang GT500 w/Handling Pack/Recaros has an MSRP of $77,090.
IMHO, it feels like the 2020 GT500 is insignificant outside the Mustang World (again?).
Must. Beat. Crapmaro.
Let’s see a review with same driver on same day....but then the 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE beats the non-CFTP lap time:
1:58.7 on a (air-quote) **100% stock** (air-quote) w/RaceChrono Pro. I am curious about the GPS accuracy. Driver doesn't elaborate on the setup/telematics specifics.
I'll ask again, has the 2020 GT500 jumped the shark?
It would seem that the current model halo Camaro is faster than the non-CFTP version.
The CFTP version can't be had for MSRP (or even close).
Current Z06s/ZR1s are going for very aggressive prices.
Where is the value (other than Ford/Mustang allegiance) in the 2020 GT500?
Very good way to put it, at massive discounts these gm products still sit lol! But hopefully soon we get a real side by side test vs the 1LE and the C8 Z51 same day same driver.What is your argument? That the ZL1 1LE ‘might’ beat the base GT500 and is $5k cheaper?
Yes we buy these cars for performance, but it’s also about the complete package. When you’re spending $75k range, getting the car you want is all that matters.
That DCT seems to be legit and from every single review, EVERY SINGLE ONE has been positive. Almost universally they appreciate how the new 500 is the best all-around performance car and remains very streetable with minimal sacrifices compared to its on track ability.
Forget the ADM reasoning BS, as the reality is any new it thing is in high demand. Now if you have cash burning thru your pocket, yes, you’re stuck with ADM.
But doesn’t ADM reinforce the argument of how much better the 500 compares to the ZL1. You can upcharge one and discount the other and people will still bend over for the 500.
-J
the visibility is not a problem either. 2 weeks into driving the car, you learn its angles and you never thing about it anymore.
Only an absolute idiot or someone who hates the GT500 because they can't afford it would think the ZL1 1LE is better. The same ZL1 that is more than a second slower to 150 than the 13-14 GT500.
If I remember correctly he actually IS with herIve heard that a lot. I just couldn't get used to it. Maybe with more seat time it would get better. Longest i had one in my possession was about 4 days as a rental for work.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the old-- You must be poor because you cant agree that the 500 kicks everyone's ass mentality........... gotta love it.
How original... Hillary would be so proud!
If I remember correctly he actually IS with her