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01 cobra vs 2000 camaro SS? who do you think would win
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<blockquote data-quote="tt335ci03cobra" data-source="post: 12690372" data-attributes="member: 68944"><p>Your whole argument rests on comparing a turbo 4.8-5.3 vs an sc 4.6.... Word... Nonono</p><p></p><p>I'll indulge though, budget junk yard build 4.8-5.3's still break pretty often and the Chinese turbos you talk of leak after 0-3k miles very often enough to give them the notoriety they have.</p><p></p><p>Many turbo modulars have and do make much more power than these 4.8 and 5.3 builds. Lets compare turbo to turbo and sc to sc. Show me a stock block/piston/rod/head/cam 4.8-5.3 making 1188whp. I'll wait. </p><p></p><p>Oh, this car was twin charged and would have made more power just tt'd. The heaton was sapping up power uptop.</p><p></p><p>Here's that bone stock long block 03 cobra 4.6 making 1188whp with just fuel, spark. Head gaskets/studs and tuning software. Stock block, pistons, bearings, rods, crank, cams, heads, valves, springs, retainers, etc.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/02/esy5yvaz.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Hellion hellraiser initial testing. Article was in Hotrod, mm&ff, and 5.0 magazine in 07-08 roughly.</p><p></p><p>I'm not bashing ohv's but honestly for turbo builds, it's not nearly as easy as it is with factory forged modulars man.</p><p></p><p>If the 4.8-5.3 takes to a turbo so well as you describe, why wouldn't gm just turbo the cts-v, zr1, zl1, lsa's and ls9's? Gm knows ecotechs very well, they new turbo diesels well enough... The answer is longevity and complexity. With out the adjustability and safety of 4v multi cams, turbos are not nearly as safe/easy to dial in.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, find me any bone stock Chevy mill that came in a $30-50k production car between 1990-now that has held 1188whp for even a thousand miles. That hell raiser car broke its stock IRS well before the motor ever let go.</p><p></p><p>It's not uncommon for 4.6 and 5.4 factory forged longblock 4v's to live 5-10,000+ miles with 800+whp. I don't hear of even lsa's or even the $100-130k zr1's ls9 doing so for very long, just saying man. And if you have to spend $100-130k to get a 1000hp capable long block from Chevy, I think it's showing that ohv isn't as epic win as you believe it is boost wise...</p><p></p><p>Oh and back to the sc front, there's a built 5.4 4v with a 4.2 kb making 1150~whp in mm&ff this month through an auto on 27psi... Tell me thats not out shining the built up 4.8-5.3's making 800whp+ on 10-20psi turbo... And that dudes 1150whp was with a laggy auto otherwise it probably would have made 1300whp based on the graph, it's like 1150whp from 3.5k rpms.</p><p></p><p>I don't have a pic of the graph but I'm sure others in this thread have seen the article. Fully built? Ya it runs 8.10's@170, but its 300-500whp more than the tubo mills your talking about so its obviously vastly superior anyways/has earned it's build cost in epic win especially being sc. If it was turbo it would easily be a 1500whp monster. </p><p></p><p>The 323ci tt modular 5.4 4v based aeromotive car (5.3) has made 2200whp... Find me any 4.7-5.3 in any build, cost being no concern, that has done so. I'll wait.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tt335ci03cobra, post: 12690372, member: 68944"] Your whole argument rests on comparing a turbo 4.8-5.3 vs an sc 4.6.... Word... Nonono I'll indulge though, budget junk yard build 4.8-5.3's still break pretty often and the Chinese turbos you talk of leak after 0-3k miles very often enough to give them the notoriety they have. Many turbo modulars have and do make much more power than these 4.8 and 5.3 builds. Lets compare turbo to turbo and sc to sc. Show me a stock block/piston/rod/head/cam 4.8-5.3 making 1188whp. I'll wait. Oh, this car was twin charged and would have made more power just tt'd. The heaton was sapping up power uptop. Here's that bone stock long block 03 cobra 4.6 making 1188whp with just fuel, spark. Head gaskets/studs and tuning software. Stock block, pistons, bearings, rods, crank, cams, heads, valves, springs, retainers, etc. [IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/02/esy5yvaz.jpg[/IMG] Hellion hellraiser initial testing. Article was in Hotrod, mm&ff, and 5.0 magazine in 07-08 roughly. I'm not bashing ohv's but honestly for turbo builds, it's not nearly as easy as it is with factory forged modulars man. If the 4.8-5.3 takes to a turbo so well as you describe, why wouldn't gm just turbo the cts-v, zr1, zl1, lsa's and ls9's? Gm knows ecotechs very well, they new turbo diesels well enough... The answer is longevity and complexity. With out the adjustability and safety of 4v multi cams, turbos are not nearly as safe/easy to dial in. Anyways, find me any bone stock Chevy mill that came in a $30-50k production car between 1990-now that has held 1188whp for even a thousand miles. That hell raiser car broke its stock IRS well before the motor ever let go. It's not uncommon for 4.6 and 5.4 factory forged longblock 4v's to live 5-10,000+ miles with 800+whp. I don't hear of even lsa's or even the $100-130k zr1's ls9 doing so for very long, just saying man. And if you have to spend $100-130k to get a 1000hp capable long block from Chevy, I think it's showing that ohv isn't as epic win as you believe it is boost wise... Oh and back to the sc front, there's a built 5.4 4v with a 4.2 kb making 1150~whp in mm&ff this month through an auto on 27psi... Tell me thats not out shining the built up 4.8-5.3's making 800whp+ on 10-20psi turbo... And that dudes 1150whp was with a laggy auto otherwise it probably would have made 1300whp based on the graph, it's like 1150whp from 3.5k rpms. I don't have a pic of the graph but I'm sure others in this thread have seen the article. Fully built? Ya it runs 8.10's@170, but its 300-500whp more than the tubo mills your talking about so its obviously vastly superior anyways/has earned it's build cost in epic win especially being sc. If it was turbo it would easily be a 1500whp monster. The 323ci tt modular 5.4 4v based aeromotive car (5.3) has made 2200whp... Find me any 4.7-5.3 in any build, cost being no concern, that has done so. I'll wait. [/QUOTE]
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