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'14 Brembo Upgrades? or BBK? Anyone?
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<blockquote data-quote="Bingo13" data-source="post: 14483702" data-attributes="member: 4923"><p>The factory ABS is fine until you go to full race pads and tires, at which time you might want to think about the race module (if you are dedicating the car to track use only) and several other changes. This is what worked great for us on our cars. We were taught to be extremely frugal with the brakes and to only use them to set the car up to close distance in the corners, so our experiences with pad/rotor replacements are usually much different than others. </p><p></p><p>You have not really discussed what tires you are using as that makes a real difference in the brake setup. We are in the advanced group in HPDE so we do not have dedicated track cars since our cars spend several days a week on the street so nothing too exotic for us. We either run Yoko AD08R (cold/wet) or Nitto NT01s (dry/hot) so nothing extreme on the rubber side and it determined our braking setups. </p><p></p><p>This is what works extremely well for us with the OEM Brembo setup -</p><p>1. FTBR brake cooling ducts along with some really nice silicone hose Bruce sold us on the side plus Shelby GT ducts we had modified at a local body shop to fit the stock lower grill.</p><p>2. FTBR FT9108HD - Front two piece rotors (move the new car to the FT9120HD shortly) that have 10 events on them and still not even close to replacing them. Similar cars in our group have already replaced the stock or Centric rotors two or three times. Based on our driving technique this has been money well spent.</p><p>3. FTBR FT9600 - Rear 13" upgrade with two piece floating rotors. This was probably one of the best braking upgrades we did on the car after the cooling ducts, fluid, and lines package, which is required anyway. This really settled down the rear end under hard braking when needed, balanced out the front/rear under normal braking conditions and greatly improved trail braking capabilities. Also replaced the rear calipers as added insurance as both cars had normal miles plus a few events on them. </p><p>4. GT500 Brake Booster - Incredible change in brake pedal effort and if nothing else inspires a certain amount of confidence due to much better modulation.</p><p>5. SS lines and appropriate brake fluid - In the end we moved to the Castrol SRF after noticing the cost to replace the Motul RBF600/660 after every other event was greater than spending the money up front. </p><p>6. Based on tire choice, track layouts in Texas, brake booster and rear rotor upgrades we ended being able to run the Carbotech XP10/XP8 setup without any issues. We tried more aggressive pad combos (DTC70/DTC60; XP12/XP10, etc) but they were not really needed based on our driving technique on the tracks here (MSR-C, MSR-H, TWS, COTA, Hallet, Eagles Canyon) and I think that has also played a big part in the longevity of the rotors. </p><p>7. Your mileage will vary based on all these factors. But the minimum I would do is cooling, lines, fluid, power booster and rear rotor upgrade and then determine what is best for you on rotors and pads based on tires, driving technique and budget.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bingo13, post: 14483702, member: 4923"] The factory ABS is fine until you go to full race pads and tires, at which time you might want to think about the race module (if you are dedicating the car to track use only) and several other changes. This is what worked great for us on our cars. We were taught to be extremely frugal with the brakes and to only use them to set the car up to close distance in the corners, so our experiences with pad/rotor replacements are usually much different than others. You have not really discussed what tires you are using as that makes a real difference in the brake setup. We are in the advanced group in HPDE so we do not have dedicated track cars since our cars spend several days a week on the street so nothing too exotic for us. We either run Yoko AD08R (cold/wet) or Nitto NT01s (dry/hot) so nothing extreme on the rubber side and it determined our braking setups. This is what works extremely well for us with the OEM Brembo setup - 1. FTBR brake cooling ducts along with some really nice silicone hose Bruce sold us on the side plus Shelby GT ducts we had modified at a local body shop to fit the stock lower grill. 2. FTBR FT9108HD - Front two piece rotors (move the new car to the FT9120HD shortly) that have 10 events on them and still not even close to replacing them. Similar cars in our group have already replaced the stock or Centric rotors two or three times. Based on our driving technique this has been money well spent. 3. FTBR FT9600 - Rear 13" upgrade with two piece floating rotors. This was probably one of the best braking upgrades we did on the car after the cooling ducts, fluid, and lines package, which is required anyway. This really settled down the rear end under hard braking when needed, balanced out the front/rear under normal braking conditions and greatly improved trail braking capabilities. Also replaced the rear calipers as added insurance as both cars had normal miles plus a few events on them. 4. GT500 Brake Booster - Incredible change in brake pedal effort and if nothing else inspires a certain amount of confidence due to much better modulation. 5. SS lines and appropriate brake fluid - In the end we moved to the Castrol SRF after noticing the cost to replace the Motul RBF600/660 after every other event was greater than spending the money up front. 6. Based on tire choice, track layouts in Texas, brake booster and rear rotor upgrades we ended being able to run the Carbotech XP10/XP8 setup without any issues. We tried more aggressive pad combos (DTC70/DTC60; XP12/XP10, etc) but they were not really needed based on our driving technique on the tracks here (MSR-C, MSR-H, TWS, COTA, Hallet, Eagles Canyon) and I think that has also played a big part in the longevity of the rotors. 7. Your mileage will vary based on all these factors. But the minimum I would do is cooling, lines, fluid, power booster and rear rotor upgrade and then determine what is best for you on rotors and pads based on tires, driving technique and budget. [/QUOTE]
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