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<blockquote data-quote="ZWilson07" data-source="post: 15789946" data-attributes="member: 121388"><p>Honestly IMO it was a must to try and keep their share of the market. The previous CEO bet the farm and lost big on trying to stay away from SCR and just continue to run more and more EGR. I have spoke with many an engineer with work and training that stated they tried their best to make it known on deaf ears how bad of an idea that was but you know how the corporate chain goes.</p><p></p><p>Many a company offers multiple lines of engine manufacturers so its not anything new. International just needed a break to get away from the Maxxforce name and try to reinvent themselves somewhat. One thing I do like about Cummins and something International needs work on is how well their diag is; they have it down to a science. If it's a particular truck you are having an difficult issue with you can literally call them and usually within just a few minutes have someone on the phone with the issue narrowed down. Dealing with most International diag and case files makes you want to punch yourself in the face just to make yourself feel like your on the same level with who you are dealing with; it is a train wreck to say the least. Which is a shame, because they have talented guys, just for one reason or another the ball gets dropped along the way somehow.</p><p></p><p>Now this is not to say I dislike International. I have actually always been a huge International fan, but I am also a realist. They are slowly getting better and getting back to on par with other engine manufacturers like they were in the late 90s to early/mid 00s. Every truck manufacturer and every engine manufacturer has issues. They all break and all have issues, just different ones. Guess what, you go to a Cummins dealership and they are full of broken trucks. The same can be said at other dealerships like KW, Pete, Freightliner, etc. I get paid the same no matter what is under the hood and regardless of why it broke so eh <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /> but I do have my preferences like anyone.</p><p></p><p>Don't want to take away from the thread so feel free to drop a PM if you have more questions. To the point of the thread I am with Sid. Timing belts are just stupid in today's world, especially in the diesel world. They had their time and place but I'd like to think we have moved on from there. I hate that my 98 Camry is a timing belt even though it still has more power and shifts better to this day than my 13 Corolla with a timing chain which is ridiculous in itself, but that is a thread for another day. IMO it is foolish to use a timing belt in any diesel application especially if it is intended to be put in a chassis that is supposed to do any kind of work. I have no doubt that it has been well tested and worked over to death by many an engineer. I have no doubt that it also probably won't matter to 90% of the market buying it so why should Ford really care, but man COME ON! All I know is I wouldn't own one out of warranty but the same could be said for most vehicles nowadays and it's certainly no different in the big truck world either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZWilson07, post: 15789946, member: 121388"] Honestly IMO it was a must to try and keep their share of the market. The previous CEO bet the farm and lost big on trying to stay away from SCR and just continue to run more and more EGR. I have spoke with many an engineer with work and training that stated they tried their best to make it known on deaf ears how bad of an idea that was but you know how the corporate chain goes. Many a company offers multiple lines of engine manufacturers so its not anything new. International just needed a break to get away from the Maxxforce name and try to reinvent themselves somewhat. One thing I do like about Cummins and something International needs work on is how well their diag is; they have it down to a science. If it's a particular truck you are having an difficult issue with you can literally call them and usually within just a few minutes have someone on the phone with the issue narrowed down. Dealing with most International diag and case files makes you want to punch yourself in the face just to make yourself feel like your on the same level with who you are dealing with; it is a train wreck to say the least. Which is a shame, because they have talented guys, just for one reason or another the ball gets dropped along the way somehow. Now this is not to say I dislike International. I have actually always been a huge International fan, but I am also a realist. They are slowly getting better and getting back to on par with other engine manufacturers like they were in the late 90s to early/mid 00s. Every truck manufacturer and every engine manufacturer has issues. They all break and all have issues, just different ones. Guess what, you go to a Cummins dealership and they are full of broken trucks. The same can be said at other dealerships like KW, Pete, Freightliner, etc. I get paid the same no matter what is under the hood and regardless of why it broke so eh :cool: but I do have my preferences like anyone. Don't want to take away from the thread so feel free to drop a PM if you have more questions. To the point of the thread I am with Sid. Timing belts are just stupid in today's world, especially in the diesel world. They had their time and place but I'd like to think we have moved on from there. I hate that my 98 Camry is a timing belt even though it still has more power and shifts better to this day than my 13 Corolla with a timing chain which is ridiculous in itself, but that is a thread for another day. IMO it is foolish to use a timing belt in any diesel application especially if it is intended to be put in a chassis that is supposed to do any kind of work. I have no doubt that it has been well tested and worked over to death by many an engineer. I have no doubt that it also probably won't matter to 90% of the market buying it so why should Ford really care, but man COME ON! All I know is I wouldn't own one out of warranty but the same could be said for most vehicles nowadays and it's certainly no different in the big truck world either. [/QUOTE]
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