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2020+ Shelby GT500 Mustang
ADM’s COMING DOWN ???
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<blockquote data-quote="662" data-source="post: 16254562" data-attributes="member: 161934"><p>I think Ford hit a homerun in 2015 with GT350 and FPC, bringing a high end world class engine to Mustang caught the world by complete surprise, and they thought the demand, excitement, and ADM could be manipulated in the same way with GT500. I do think GT500 is a commendable car, however it has direct competition with the same recipe in ZL1 1LE, HP in Hell Cat, and now has to deal with the revolutionary C8, which is turning the entire industry upside down.</p><p></p><p>It's not just Ford that got hamstrung by C8, it is the entire high end sports car market. Compared to a 80k C8 Z51, do you really want a GT3 RS for 170k, a R8 for 140k, a NSX for 160k, and the list goes on with McLaren, Ferrari, i8... Until you triple the price, C8 will basically have the best 0-60 and shortest braking distance of the bunch.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of the C8, Ford's marketing sucks, we have been hanging on the few easter eggs they released for 2+ years. I'd argue until specs are published the car is not 'officially' released, and while I love the appearance and execution and the CF rims, the recipe is yesterday's technology tomorrow and just took too long to get to market. It certainly will be tunable to 1kHP, but we have to be concerned about putting that power thru the DCT.</p><p></p><p>I believe the only way Ford could have actually competed this cycle would have been to launch a hybrid mustang with electric assist on the front hubs, (ideally paired with FPC,) but even that would not negate the physics behind the mid-engine advantage, and if Z06 or ZR1 brings a hybrid solution, then C8 will still retain mid-engine advantages.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]E_SH4c-oLUQ[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>C8 tech is no big deal, but bringing it under 100k is, and while I would not want a base model, advertising it under 60k starting price is mind boggling. Like the C7, it certainly might be tail happy, but with modern electronic handling assist recipes available GM won't have the same learning curve Porsche endured thru the 70's. It's a good one.</p><p></p><p>The big C8 disappointment to me is they necessarily will be ubiquitous in 1-2 years. I love the uniqueness of my Shelby's and it's why I would buy a GT500, or a 911, or any of the more exclusive machines. For me, the time to own a C8 is soon, before they get the bugs out, the first year or two and before I'm looking at myself at every intersection.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="662, post: 16254562, member: 161934"] I think Ford hit a homerun in 2015 with GT350 and FPC, bringing a high end world class engine to Mustang caught the world by complete surprise, and they thought the demand, excitement, and ADM could be manipulated in the same way with GT500. I do think GT500 is a commendable car, however it has direct competition with the same recipe in ZL1 1LE, HP in Hell Cat, and now has to deal with the revolutionary C8, which is turning the entire industry upside down. It's not just Ford that got hamstrung by C8, it is the entire high end sports car market. Compared to a 80k C8 Z51, do you really want a GT3 RS for 170k, a R8 for 140k, a NSX for 160k, and the list goes on with McLaren, Ferrari, i8... Until you triple the price, C8 will basically have the best 0-60 and shortest braking distance of the bunch. Regardless of the C8, Ford's marketing sucks, we have been hanging on the few easter eggs they released for 2+ years. I'd argue until specs are published the car is not 'officially' released, and while I love the appearance and execution and the CF rims, the recipe is yesterday's technology tomorrow and just took too long to get to market. It certainly will be tunable to 1kHP, but we have to be concerned about putting that power thru the DCT. I believe the only way Ford could have actually competed this cycle would have been to launch a hybrid mustang with electric assist on the front hubs, (ideally paired with FPC,) but even that would not negate the physics behind the mid-engine advantage, and if Z06 or ZR1 brings a hybrid solution, then C8 will still retain mid-engine advantages. [MEDIA=youtube]E_SH4c-oLUQ[/MEDIA] C8 tech is no big deal, but bringing it under 100k is, and while I would not want a base model, advertising it under 60k starting price is mind boggling. Like the C7, it certainly might be tail happy, but with modern electronic handling assist recipes available GM won't have the same learning curve Porsche endured thru the 70's. It's a good one. The big C8 disappointment to me is they necessarily will be ubiquitous in 1-2 years. I love the uniqueness of my Shelby's and it's why I would buy a GT500, or a 911, or any of the more exclusive machines. For me, the time to own a C8 is soon, before they get the bugs out, the first year or two and before I'm looking at myself at every intersection. [/QUOTE]
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