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2020+ Shelby GT500 Mustang
Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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<blockquote data-quote="tt335ci03cobra" data-source="post: 15785770" data-attributes="member: 68944"><p>Gtpremi, I’m not saying on flat ground with a great setup and race slicks that an sra can’t be fast, I’m saying in fun enjoyable street cars, I’ve noticed the irs cars don’t feel like the front and rear are opposing each other.</p><p></p><p>Even on track, unless you are perfect on line, throttle and brake application, the irs car, all else being equal, will be the faster car.</p><p></p><p>One very important variable in racing is the driver, much more so than the car. Take a driver winning championships and races in an sra car. Give them the same car but fit with an excellent (obviously to be competitive) irs, and adjust weight/hp accordingly to fit specification. I argue they will be more consistent and faster in the field than with the sra. Dynamic and transient motions are easier in an irs car. An sra car can post very fast laps because ultimately the front suspension sets the car, the rear is mainly maintaining stability and carrying load. Couple a hot lap with traffic though, and now the sra is not as quick to respond as an irs.</p><p></p><p>That all said, get an excellent team such as Multimatic, and great crews... and you’ll see tons of sra wins against m3’s and so on in grand am cup. I loved 05-09 fr500c races. The 10-14 stuff was also epic. Watching an sra mustang beat on irs euro and worldly cars was great. That said, the gt350rc is also kickin major ass most of the time. I’d need to look up the teams but I think the mustang teams are just filled with awesome talent and drive to win.</p><p></p><p>At marcspaz, a well setup blower or turbo car can hot lap well in 80° temps, no argument there. Like I said, my high hp turbo cobra did fine by any standards in 100° canyon driving at high altitude. Heat, humidity and low oxygen is a recipe for detonation, and ridiculous iat’s, but a big fan, lots of radiator, coolant and tertiary coolers go a long way in staving it off. Couple it with heat coated exhaust and a free flowing hood to minimize engine bay heat, plan the hot side sizing right, etc and you get great results.</p><p></p><p>JGTC championships were dominated by turbo cars, long races in heat etc.</p><p></p><p>Anyways I don’t wanna drag on. My point is a factory car is less likely to be very well thought out for heat concerns but yes the zl1 1LE is on the right track. I’d also heat coat the headers, and get a better fan, resize some plumbing for less restriction, channel fresh cold air better, hook up a freon charged killer chiller esc design to the sandwiched supercharger inter cooler, and semi box the front heat exchanger with heat coating, etc etc. I’d also pulley it and go full bolt on which would need all that stuff to run basically as cool as stock haha. Im a glutton for expensive lessons, I find it fun to ruin a car with extra hp then try to make it work via cooling/grip/weight reduction etc. When I’m older, I’ll likely leave well enough alone... right now though I’ve got the bug</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tt335ci03cobra, post: 15785770, member: 68944"] Gtpremi, I’m not saying on flat ground with a great setup and race slicks that an sra can’t be fast, I’m saying in fun enjoyable street cars, I’ve noticed the irs cars don’t feel like the front and rear are opposing each other. Even on track, unless you are perfect on line, throttle and brake application, the irs car, all else being equal, will be the faster car. One very important variable in racing is the driver, much more so than the car. Take a driver winning championships and races in an sra car. Give them the same car but fit with an excellent (obviously to be competitive) irs, and adjust weight/hp accordingly to fit specification. I argue they will be more consistent and faster in the field than with the sra. Dynamic and transient motions are easier in an irs car. An sra car can post very fast laps because ultimately the front suspension sets the car, the rear is mainly maintaining stability and carrying load. Couple a hot lap with traffic though, and now the sra is not as quick to respond as an irs. That all said, get an excellent team such as Multimatic, and great crews... and you’ll see tons of sra wins against m3’s and so on in grand am cup. I loved 05-09 fr500c races. The 10-14 stuff was also epic. Watching an sra mustang beat on irs euro and worldly cars was great. That said, the gt350rc is also kickin major ass most of the time. I’d need to look up the teams but I think the mustang teams are just filled with awesome talent and drive to win. At marcspaz, a well setup blower or turbo car can hot lap well in 80° temps, no argument there. Like I said, my high hp turbo cobra did fine by any standards in 100° canyon driving at high altitude. Heat, humidity and low oxygen is a recipe for detonation, and ridiculous iat’s, but a big fan, lots of radiator, coolant and tertiary coolers go a long way in staving it off. Couple it with heat coated exhaust and a free flowing hood to minimize engine bay heat, plan the hot side sizing right, etc and you get great results. JGTC championships were dominated by turbo cars, long races in heat etc. Anyways I don’t wanna drag on. My point is a factory car is less likely to be very well thought out for heat concerns but yes the zl1 1LE is on the right track. I’d also heat coat the headers, and get a better fan, resize some plumbing for less restriction, channel fresh cold air better, hook up a freon charged killer chiller esc design to the sandwiched supercharger inter cooler, and semi box the front heat exchanger with heat coating, etc etc. I’d also pulley it and go full bolt on which would need all that stuff to run basically as cool as stock haha. Im a glutton for expensive lessons, I find it fun to ruin a car with extra hp then try to make it work via cooling/grip/weight reduction etc. When I’m older, I’ll likely leave well enough alone... right now though I’ve got the bug [/QUOTE]
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