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2020+ Shelby GT500 Mustang
Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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<blockquote data-quote="tt335ci03cobra" data-source="post: 15856788" data-attributes="member: 68944"><p>[ATTACH=full]1474536[/ATTACH]</p><p>This is the track that the 650hp zl1 1le put 1.9 seconds on the gt350r at.</p><p></p><p>Much more technical. I can guarantee you that a zl1 1le on the same tired as a zl1 (that 220tw eagle) would barely run any faster if at most by half a second. The tires are obviously key at a track like this.</p><p></p><p>I think a zl1 1le would be 2-3 seconds faster around this willow course</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1474537[/ATTACH]</p><p>than a gt350r, but it would all be owed to the tires putting the power down and keeping high G’s in the sweeping bends.</p><p></p><p>So to top that all off, I’d be content with a gt350r on cup tires and would probably proceed to drive into faster lap ranges than either of the stock tire sc’d camaros.</p><p></p><p>This goes back to the real world age old reality that track prep as in track tires, high temp fluid bled properly, driving skill sets, and a commitment to maintenance, and repair is the cheapest and best way to improve lap times dramatically.</p><p></p><p>All of this internet racing is a joke. In real life, the 300hp 10/1 lbs/hp car on cup tires that is setup well and dialed in driven well turns faster laps than the 700hp 5/1 lbs/hp hoopty on aggressive cupped (as in damaged to hell at the edges) “performance” boarderline all season street tires with heat scorched brakes, dying clutch, and $300 eBay aero splitters and spoilers...</p><p></p><p>The gt350r is better balanced and lighter in total weight, and most importantly inspiring weight. It’s geared too long for its own good. Put a cup tire and a 4.29 rear in a gt350r and you have about the perfect track toy mustang. Hell, mess lighter better brakes if you have the 5 figures to do so and call it a day.</p><p></p><p>One thing I wouldn’t do is put a blower on it then try to rebalance the car. I could see putting a switch chip for e85, full exhaust, and moderate cam work to try for 550whp na with a nice custom closed ram air inlet (true cold air)</p><p></p><p>What ford will gain in straight line capability with this sc’d 5.2 and the requisite 750 odd hp it might well lose in actual track proficiency.</p><p></p><p>I’d rather have an over achieving 526hp ride than a questionable 755hp one. I think Ford has taken so long on this car because they don’t want to muck up the car and end up in a worse place.</p><p></p><p>I fully expect the gt500 when track pack equipped will be seconds faster than the zl1 1le, which would indeed put it toe to toe with hyper cars. The million dollar hyper cars under perform for their power levels. High spec club racers have ran faster times with hundreds fewer hp. Ford just has to do what Dodge did and really focus on the given segment they want to dominate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tt335ci03cobra, post: 15856788, member: 68944"] [ATTACH=full]1474536[/ATTACH] This is the track that the 650hp zl1 1le put 1.9 seconds on the gt350r at. Much more technical. I can guarantee you that a zl1 1le on the same tired as a zl1 (that 220tw eagle) would barely run any faster if at most by half a second. The tires are obviously key at a track like this. I think a zl1 1le would be 2-3 seconds faster around this willow course [ATTACH=full]1474537[/ATTACH] than a gt350r, but it would all be owed to the tires putting the power down and keeping high G’s in the sweeping bends. So to top that all off, I’d be content with a gt350r on cup tires and would probably proceed to drive into faster lap ranges than either of the stock tire sc’d camaros. This goes back to the real world age old reality that track prep as in track tires, high temp fluid bled properly, driving skill sets, and a commitment to maintenance, and repair is the cheapest and best way to improve lap times dramatically. All of this internet racing is a joke. In real life, the 300hp 10/1 lbs/hp car on cup tires that is setup well and dialed in driven well turns faster laps than the 700hp 5/1 lbs/hp hoopty on aggressive cupped (as in damaged to hell at the edges) “performance” boarderline all season street tires with heat scorched brakes, dying clutch, and $300 eBay aero splitters and spoilers... The gt350r is better balanced and lighter in total weight, and most importantly inspiring weight. It’s geared too long for its own good. Put a cup tire and a 4.29 rear in a gt350r and you have about the perfect track toy mustang. Hell, mess lighter better brakes if you have the 5 figures to do so and call it a day. One thing I wouldn’t do is put a blower on it then try to rebalance the car. I could see putting a switch chip for e85, full exhaust, and moderate cam work to try for 550whp na with a nice custom closed ram air inlet (true cold air) What ford will gain in straight line capability with this sc’d 5.2 and the requisite 750 odd hp it might well lose in actual track proficiency. I’d rather have an over achieving 526hp ride than a questionable 755hp one. I think Ford has taken so long on this car because they don’t want to muck up the car and end up in a worse place. I fully expect the gt500 when track pack equipped will be seconds faster than the zl1 1le, which would indeed put it toe to toe with hyper cars. The million dollar hyper cars under perform for their power levels. High spec club racers have ran faster times with hundreds fewer hp. Ford just has to do what Dodge did and really focus on the given segment they want to dominate. [/QUOTE]
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