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<blockquote data-quote="03'Darin" data-source="post: 411462" data-attributes="member: 6164"><p>I'm jumping on this thread kind of late but would like to add some input. First off I have seven years of road racing experience ranging from SSGT to AS and have experienced the ups of good brakes and downs of inadequate brakes. In SSGT we had to run the production brakes which on a 1990 LX 5.0 were CRAP.....to put it politely. 11" rotors with 58mm single piston disc front and drum rear. I crashed and rolled at Watkins Glenn after wearing out a set of Motorsport HD pads in eleven laps......it was a twelve lap race. The pads wore completely through the backing plates and the RF piston came out of the caliper.....I was leading the race at the time. You NEVER have too much brake!! Enough of that.</p><p></p><p>I just had me 03' to the track a month ago. I had Hawk "Blue" pads with Toyo R1 tires. During one session with just three laps of HARD running, the brakes faded. I was running Hawk pads only because I didn't have any Performance Frictions at the time.</p><p></p><p>I have just been doing research on what was available in brake upgrades when I came across this post.</p><p></p><p>Before I go back to the track with my 03' I will have:</p><p> 1. the 00" R carbon fiber brake duct kit (I found them for $350 by doing a search on the internet for CobraR brake duct). I think the stock brakes with proper pads, fluid and cooling would be adequit for MOST drivers.</p><p> 2. stainless brake hoses (I should have had them on the first time...I know better....but I couldn't find them for the 03' when I was getting ready to go). The stock rubber ones swell under heat and have been known to fail from it.</p><p> 3. Performance Friction 83 pads (if I can find them....they don't make the 83's anymore). They wear reasonably well, are friendly on the rotors, have a high coefficient of drag that doesn't require heavy pedal effort and don't seem to conduct the heat to the caliper like the Hawk pads do. I have run: PFC 83's, 90's and 93's ; Hawk HPS, Blue and Black ; Porterfield endurence. I prefer the PF pads. </p><p></p><p>I have also experimented with several types of brake fluids over the years and had the best luck with the Ford HD brake fluid. I do bleed the brakes before I go to the track.</p><p></p><p>No...you can't go wrong by upgrading the brakes to a 4 or 6 piston qualty system. The more even brake pressure applied to the pads the more affective they operate. But the extra expense of upgrading may not be necessary. I know they do look cool as shit though. My car will only see very limited track time and at this time I feel the upgrades I plan are all that is needed....for now.</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah....I don't run the same pads on the street as I do on the track.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="03'Darin, post: 411462, member: 6164"] I'm jumping on this thread kind of late but would like to add some input. First off I have seven years of road racing experience ranging from SSGT to AS and have experienced the ups of good brakes and downs of inadequate brakes. In SSGT we had to run the production brakes which on a 1990 LX 5.0 were CRAP.....to put it politely. 11" rotors with 58mm single piston disc front and drum rear. I crashed and rolled at Watkins Glenn after wearing out a set of Motorsport HD pads in eleven laps......it was a twelve lap race. The pads wore completely through the backing plates and the RF piston came out of the caliper.....I was leading the race at the time. You NEVER have too much brake!! Enough of that. I just had me 03' to the track a month ago. I had Hawk "Blue" pads with Toyo R1 tires. During one session with just three laps of HARD running, the brakes faded. I was running Hawk pads only because I didn't have any Performance Frictions at the time. I have just been doing research on what was available in brake upgrades when I came across this post. Before I go back to the track with my 03' I will have: 1. the 00" R carbon fiber brake duct kit (I found them for $350 by doing a search on the internet for CobraR brake duct). I think the stock brakes with proper pads, fluid and cooling would be adequit for MOST drivers. 2. stainless brake hoses (I should have had them on the first time...I know better....but I couldn't find them for the 03' when I was getting ready to go). The stock rubber ones swell under heat and have been known to fail from it. 3. Performance Friction 83 pads (if I can find them....they don't make the 83's anymore). They wear reasonably well, are friendly on the rotors, have a high coefficient of drag that doesn't require heavy pedal effort and don't seem to conduct the heat to the caliper like the Hawk pads do. I have run: PFC 83's, 90's and 93's ; Hawk HPS, Blue and Black ; Porterfield endurence. I prefer the PF pads. I have also experimented with several types of brake fluids over the years and had the best luck with the Ford HD brake fluid. I do bleed the brakes before I go to the track. No...you can't go wrong by upgrading the brakes to a 4 or 6 piston qualty system. The more even brake pressure applied to the pads the more affective they operate. But the extra expense of upgrading may not be necessary. I know they do look cool as shit though. My car will only see very limited track time and at this time I feel the upgrades I plan are all that is needed....for now. Oh yeah....I don't run the same pads on the street as I do on the track. [/QUOTE]
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